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Post by athomas on Aug 28, 2008 20:26:15 GMT
Hi! Please can anyone help with Charles Littler born 1851 In the census 1881 he is living with his wife Sarah (Jones) 1855. His children Harriet, Elizabeth. Also his mother Ann born 1796 but this cannot be right as the dates are wrong. They are living at Maelor cottage. In the 1871 census it gives his mother as Nancy, his father Charles Littler is from Postug Cheshire. In the 1861 census his mother is back to Ann. Please can anyone help? a sliver surfer confused dot.com.
regards Ann
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Post by annedw on Aug 28, 2008 20:50:28 GMT
1871 has Charles born Beeston c 1815. It seems that Ann is always a few years older than him, Nancy can be used as a pet name for Ann/e so it could be her all along. Postrug never heard of it but I`ll check. Still no idea. Can`t be sure these are the right family , but there`s no marriage or birth registerd in Denbs . They are down as being born Adwy Clawydd, but both are registered Gt Boughton. The only parts of Wales that are covered by that district are Hawarden and Higher Kinnerton, Flints.
Free BMD has that a Charles Littler married an Ann Williams June qtr 1850 Gt Boughton.
Births Jun 1844 Littler Margaret Gt Boughton Births Dec 1850 Littler Charles Gt Boughton It would now seem that the Gt Boughton records are NOT our family, so best to ignore them for now .Deaths Jun 1880 Littler Charles aged 75 Wrexham 11b 231 Deaths Dec 1882 LITTLER Ann aged 81 Wrexham 11b 188 Daughter Margaret Littler married Evan Roberts at St Giles Wrexham in 1866. Where are they all in 1851, have you found them Ann?
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Post by athomas on Aug 29, 2008 19:17:30 GMT
Re: Charles Littler, Thank you for pointing me in the right direction, I am new to family history but I now have the search bug. I am now looking for the family in 1851/41. Charles is my Gt grandfather. My dad was born in coedpoeth castle street 1907. William Thomas, his grandfather was Charles Littler (jr) 1850.
best regards Ann
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Post by annedw on Aug 30, 2008 8:56:32 GMT
I`ve got them in 1851, Denbs. Bersham, dist 7c image 25, easy to locate from Ancestry. He is transcribed as Littlen. They are living in the Rhosberse area. All chidren born Wrexham. Charles Littler 35 labourer b Cheshire Ann wife 46 b parish of Wrexham Harriet 18 unm servant home " Mary 13 " Elizabeth 11 Margaret 5 Charles 11 months Ann Roberts lodger widow 70 Parish relief. b Wrexham If they were in the same place in 1841 then you won`t find then, the census for Wrexham area is missing. I wonder if Ann Roberts is a relative. Again Ann is a good few years older than Charles. I know now why I couldn`t find them in Wales, they are there but as Litler. Charles Litler Wrexham 1842 Hannah Litler Wrexham 1844 Margaret Litler Wrexham 1845 Charles Litler Wrexham 1850No mention of Mary and Elizabeth Harriet was born c 1833 before civil registration started in 1837 and the marriage presumably also was before then. I think St Giles PRs might be worth a looking at..
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Post by sceptrelady on Aug 30, 2008 21:09:42 GMT
Hi Ann
Do you have Charles 1850 birth cert.? The GRO reference is Wrexham, vol 27, page 314. Given the ages of Harriet age 18 and Ann age 46 in 1851 census, I would say there is a possibility Harriet was his mother? If Ann was his mother you would at least learn her maiden name (hopefully!). If Charles & Ann did not marry until 1850 both may have brought children to the marriage.
Heather
PS the surname for GRO purposes is LITLER. June Qrtr 1850
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Post by athomas on Aug 31, 2008 16:09:56 GMT
Thank you both for your help, I do not think that I would have traced the family other wise. Harriet Littler (B.1878 daughter of Charles jr) Married John William Thomas,18th/2/1901 at a registery office dis of Wrexham.after they married they moved to Caemean St, Ynysboeth, Abercynon, South Wales. This piece of information maybe of help to some one.
regards Ann
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Post by athomas on Oct 24, 2008 19:03:32 GMT
I have now recieved Charles Litler birth cert, his mother is down as Ann litler formerly Kelly, Thank you for your help. Now can anyone help with Ann Kelly, in the 1851 cencus she is 46yrs boen in parish Wrexham. Also Ann Roberts widow on parish relief age 70, living as a lodger with the Litler family. regards Ann
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Post by sceptrelady on Oct 24, 2008 19:51:35 GMT
Hi Ann
baptized St. Giles Wrexham Feb 1, 1807 born 15 - presum Jan 15? KELLY, Anne, d/o Thomas (Miner) & Anne
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Post by tominera on Oct 25, 2008 15:30:49 GMT
Hi Charles Littler bur Coedpoeth Cemetery Plot 1466 aged 76 yrs 21 5 1926. I do not think there is a headstone but there could be a kerb---Would appreciate exact date of birth just for my list Regards Tom
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Post by athomas on Oct 25, 2008 20:03:24 GMT
Hi Tom, charles Litler (differant spelling) was Born 12th April 1850, adwy clewdd, Dis Wrexham Father charles, (collier) Mother Ann, formaly Kelly best regards Ann
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Post by harry on Jun 5, 2011 3:34:59 GMT
new member. I have a photo of a shop 1910 196 Tatton St C E Littler (Charlie). Mount cutter, Picture Frame Maker My Grandfather William Jones had some connection. On the back " Willies brother has his three shops very nicely decorated" Does this include this shop or does it mean three other shops Any suggestions where this is, and connections Harry
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Post by eluned on Jun 5, 2011 7:49:54 GMT
Good morning Harry and welcome to the site. I would say that it would most likely be a photo of the shops mentioned. Could you post the photo so people can have a look please? Have you found a connection to the Littler family at all? eluned
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Post by annedw on Jun 5, 2011 17:27:45 GMT
It is in Salford. Perhaps he moved up the road by 1910 ;D It would be worth checking the 1911 census to see who his neighbours are. 1901 RG13; Piece: 3735; Folio: 69; Page: 2. 85 Tatton St, Salford, Regent Road District Charles Ernest Littler 23 picture frame maker b Knutsford Rebecca Littler wife 22 b Salford Frances M Littler dau 2 b Salford. I only have access to the 1911 summary books but a Mr Littler has a home at 16 West Craven Street, Regent Road district which is after Tatton St on the page. He does have a Mr Jones next door but one, but the 1911 full census is what you really need. This Charles Littler isn`t obviously linked to the " Charles Littler born 1851 In the census 1881 he is living with his wife Sarah (Jones) 1855 " but never say never ....... Here is address in a directory. sculpture.gla.ac.uk/view/place.php?id=msib5_1221504966
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Post by harry on Jun 6, 2011 7:18:31 GMT
I can find no connection to the name Littler apart from this photo 1911 census shows William Jones (1879) unm living with his family at 28 Craven St Birkenhead He emigrated to New Zealand soon after Harry Attachments:
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Post by annedw on Jun 6, 2011 7:25:53 GMT
Looking at the `Royal Pictures` and the Union Jack it was possibly taken around time of succesion to the throne of George V. Nice bit of history there. I wonder if you could send it to the site in my previous post, I`m sure they would be interested.
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Post by eluned on Jun 6, 2011 8:05:25 GMT
Hi Harry Thank you posting such a lovely photo eluned
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