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Post by welshlass on Jan 8, 2006 18:55:05 GMT
I have an Ellis family from Minera .Thomas Ellis C1844 married Sarah Williams born 1849 in Llanferres.Their children were as follows;Mary Ellis c1870,Shem Ellis c1871,Robert Ellis c1873,John Ellis c1875,Thomas Ellis c 1879.George Ellis c1881,Sarah Ellis c1883,Grqace Ellis c1886,Elizabeth Ann Ellis ( my Nain)1887 .She married John Jones from Greenfield.I will put more info on soon -I will get out my Ellis research!Hoping to link up with some-one! Ros
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Post by shedevil on Jan 8, 2006 20:41:18 GMT
If this information is of any use to you i have found the following from the parish registers: Shem Ellis (Rockman) son of Thomas Ellis (Brakesman) Married 16th March 1895 to Mary Davies daughter of Thomas Davies (Quarryman)
the following are baptisms for children of Thomas and Sarah: Mary Jane Ellis abode Vicarage bap: 18th July 1869 Sam Ellis (transcripton error i think) Abode Vicarage Bap: 5th March 1871 John Williams Ellis abode Penbryn bap: 11th July 1875 Elizabeth Ellis abode Pen Y Bryn bap: 12th May 1877 Grace Ellis abode Old Vicarage bap 19th August 1885 Born: 26th April 1885 ;D
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Post by welshlass on Jan 8, 2006 23:12:56 GMT
hi ! thanks for those-very interesting!I have to add another Ellis-Adeline c1891.regards Ros
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Post by yetanotherroberts on Jan 12, 2006 21:52:21 GMT
Hi I was just looking at this new site to see if there was any mention of my Ellis family and lo, there was. Do you have any info on the Thomas Ellis b.c. 1844. I have a Thomas Ellis b. 1845, Llangynog, Mont, who moved to Coedpoeth with his brother Robert, b. c. 1826.
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Post by welshlass on Jan 13, 2006 14:47:27 GMT
Hi! Sorry I haven't any more info on Thomas .It would be great if you post your Ellis people so we can compare and share Ros
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Post by yetanotherroberts on Jan 13, 2006 15:13:36 GMT
Hi Ros This is a shortened version of what I have extracted from a longer piece: Robert Ellis (1794 - after 1861), Llangower and Llangynog
Robert Ellis was baptised on 3rd January 1794 at Llangower Parish Church, Merionethshire, the son of Ellis ap John Robert and Margaret, daughter of Hugh Jones. (Information from Clwyd FHS transcriptions of Llangower, with advice on patronymics from Bryn Ellis who transcribed them).
He married Elizabeth Jones on 17th June 1826 at Llangynog parish church. The witnesses were John Ellis (his brother) and E. Theodore, probably Edward Thedore the church warden. The marriage was '‘with consent of parents'’ because Elizabeth would have been only 19 at the time.
Robert and Elizabeth had seven known children:
Robert (bpt. 17 August 1828) Margaret (bpt. 23 January 1831) Elizabeth and Evan ( bpt. 3rd March 1833) John (bpt. 17th August 1835) Anne (b. 1839-1840) Thomas (b. 31 October 1845) (See Enc. 7) (note: it was from this birth certificate that I was able to find the maiden name of Elizabeth and hence trace the marriage).
Apart from Margaret, the only child that I have been able to trace after 1861 is Robert, who appears in the 1861, 1871, 1881 and 1891 censuses in Bersham (See below). Brothers John and Thomas are lodging with Robert in Bersham in 1861 but have not been located on later censuses.
Information from censuses
1841: Brongaregog, Pencraig, Llangynog, Montgomeryshire Robert Ellis, 45 -49, Miner, not born county Elizabeth Ellis, 35 - 40, b. county Robert Ellis, 12, b. county Margaret Ellis, 10, b. county Evan Ellis, 8, b. county Elizabeth Ellis, b. county John Ellis, 6, b. county Anne Ellis, 1, b. county
1851: Tynant, Pencraig, Llangynog, Montgomeryshire Robert Ellis, head, m, 55, ag labourer, b. Mer. Llangower Elizabeth Ellis, wife, m, 44, b. Mont. Llangynog Thomas Ellis, son, unm, 5, Mont. Llangynog
Also: Llwynon, Llangynog Robert Ellis, unm, 23, ag. labourer, b. Llangynog
Nant, Llangynog Evan Ellis, unm, 18, ag. labourer, b. Llangynog Ann Ellis, unm, 11, female servant, b. Llangynog
Tyn y ffynonydd, Llangynog Elizabeth Ellis, unm, 18, house servant, b. Llangynog John Ellis, unm, 45, farm labourer, b. Llangower, Mer (N.B. John was Robert’s brother)
Tyn y pant, Llangynog John Ellis, unm, 16, ag. labourer, b. Llangynog (Tyn y pant and Tyn y ffynonydd were adjacent farms, and Llwynon and Nant are close by)
For Margaret, see Roberts file.
1861: Penyvelyn, Pencraig, Llangynog Robert Ellis, hd, widr, 66, Carrier, b. Bala next door: John Ellis, hd, mar, 56, ag. labourer, b. Llangower, Mer. Ann Ellis, wife, mar, 54, dressmaker, b. Llangynog
1861: Talwen, Bersham, Denbighshire Robert Ellis, hd, mar, 32, lead miner, b. Llangynog, N Wales Margaret Ellis, wife, 27, b. Denbighshire Thomas Ellis, boarder, unm, 15, lead miner, b. Llangynog, N Wales John Bowen, lodger, unm, 19, lead miner, b. ?Llangollen John Ellis, lodger, unm, 25, lead miner, b. Llangynog
1871: Salem Road, Talwen, Bersham, Denbighshire Robert Ellis, hd, mar, 42, lead miner, b. Llangynog Margaret Ellis, wife, mar, 37, b. Denbighshire, ?Minera John Ellis, son, unm, 7, scholar, b. Talwen, Bersham Elizabeth C, daughter, unm, 3, b. Talwen, Bersham
1881: Salem Terrace, Bersham Robert Ellis, hd, mar, 52, coal miner, b. Llangynog Margaret Ellis, wife, mar, 47, Bersham Elizabeth Ellis, daughter, unm, 14, general servant, Bersham Robert ?Wm, son, unm, 9, scholar, Bersham Elizabeth Thomas, m-in-law, wid, 72, Trawsfydydd, Mer
1891: Salem Terrace, Bersham Robert Ellis, hd, mar, ?clogger, Llangynog Margaret Ellis, 57, Minera, Bersham Robert ?Evan Ellis, son, unm, collier, Bersham
Robert Ellis died Sept 1900 and was buried Doedpoeth on 24th Sept 1900
Apologies for length. let me know if this fits. Note that I don't have Thomas after 1861.
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Post by welshlass on Jan 13, 2006 19:24:08 GMT
:)Hi! That is a lot of information! I will read and digest when I have a quiet moment!I will have a look through my Ellis stuff and see if I can give you any extra info about any of my lot ! thanks for that! Ros
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Post by yetanotherroberts on Jan 13, 2006 22:30:26 GMT
Hi Ros I've had a look through the1851 census and now think that your Thomas Ellis was the sone of a Robert Ellis (b. c. 1804, Llandegla) and Mary ? (b. c. 1808, Tynechtyn). So looks like a different family to mine. Still, someone might see all the info I put up and recognise the family.
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Post by welshlass on Jan 14, 2006 14:33:18 GMT
Thats a shame if we don't connect! I don't suppose you have the info of the Thomas you don 't think belongs to me in the 1851?Ros
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Post by yetanotherroberts on Jan 14, 2006 16:13:17 GMT
Hi Ros The one from Llangynog (mine) is shown in previous e-mail The one I think is yours is : 1851 HO107/2503/736 Pen y Bryn, Minera Robert Ellis, 47, Ag Lab, Llandegla Mary Ellis, 43, Tynechtyn William, 13, Minera Thomas, 8, Minera Anne, 5, Minera Enoch, 3, Minera I've checked the 1861 but can't find thenm. They are probably in one of the EDs that have gone missing
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Post by welshlass on Jan 15, 2006 16:20:29 GMT
Thanks for that-I will have to get down to some serious Ellis research-I have been concentrating on some other branches! Ros
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Post by llosgi calch on Jan 18, 2006 0:19:00 GMT
1871: Salem Road, Talwen, Bersham, Denbighshire Robert Ellis, hd, mar, 42, lead miner, b. Llangynog Margaret Ellis, wife, mar, 37, b. Denbighshire, ?Minera John Ellis, son, unm, 7, scholar, b. Talwen, Bersham Elizabeth C, daughter, unm, 3, b. Talwen, Bersham 1881: Salem Terrace, Bersham Robert Ellis, hd, mar, 52, coal miner, b. Llangynog Margaret Ellis, wife, mar, 47, Bersham Elizabeth Ellis, daughter, unm, 14, general servant, Bersham Robert ?Wm, son, unm, 9, scholar, Bersham Elizabeth Thomas, m-in-law, wid, 72, Trawsfydydd, Mer 1891: Salem Terrace, Bersham Robert Ellis, hd, mar, ?clogger, Llangynog Margaret Ellis, 57, Minera, Bersham Robert ?Evan Ellis, son, unm, collier, Bersham Robert Ellis died Sept 1900 and was buried Doedpoeth on 24th Sept 1900 A Message for 'yeanotherroberts'....I spotted a thread on rootschat that rang a bell, so I've pasted the link below... It would appear that a link could be John Ellis b.circ 1863/4 in Coedpoeth, son of Robert Ellis. Especially if this particular John made his way down to south Wales. www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,50613.0.html (This link is not pasting in full - type out full url instead of clicking it, or copy & paste right to left so as to retrieve full address)
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Post by welshlass on Feb 4, 2006 15:33:49 GMT
Hi! I received a marriage certificate today which I think is my Thomas Ellis and Sarah Williams.they were married in Minera Church on the 13th June 1868.Their ages were put as Full-it would have been nice to have exact ages! Thomas was a quarryman ,residence given as Penybryn,Father Robert Ellis who was a labourer.Sarah was a domestic servant ,residence given as the Old Vicarage,father Shem Williams whowas a labourer.Witnesses were Henry williams and Ann Ellis. Anyone got any connection or can tell me anything about Penybryn or the Old Vicarage? happy hunting ! Ros
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Post by yetanotherroberts on Feb 4, 2006 18:31:48 GMT
Answer for llosgi calch:
Sorry not to get back earlier. My mother-in-law died and we've been rushing round the UK for the past couple of weeks. It looks very much like there is a connection. I traced your John to South Wales. My great grandfather, Henry Roberts (1856-1930), was a miner and methodist preacher living in Chirk for most of his life. In his diary of 1900, he writes that his Uncle Robert had died in Coedpoeth and then that he went to the funeral. He was the son of Robert Ellis's sister Margaret and would have been a first cousin to your John. I can send you my e-mail address via the admin if you would like.
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Post by llosgi calch on Feb 5, 2006 0:29:34 GMT
Hi 'yetanother roberts', John Ellis is not a relation of mine, I just happen to have a good memory and remembered this thread when I was 'rooting' on 'rootschat'! ;D I have sent a PM on rootschat to its member 'Cardiff' who wrote the particular thread, and hopefully 'Cardiff' will arrive here shortly to add a comment & confirm the link with you. Hopefully 'Cardiff' can fill us all in on what became of John Ellis (b. Talwrn, Coedpoeth, parish of Bersham 1864/5) after he reached south Wales... Great to think this could be our first 'link' on these boards, and I'll even waiver my reunion fee! ;D
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Post by yetanotherroberts on Feb 7, 2006 14:29:39 GMT
Hi 'yetanother roberts', Great to think this could be our first 'link' on these boards, and I'll even waiver my reunion fee! ;DThough that I'd let you know that we've made contact. It is the same John Ellis but we're not related Cardiff is descended from John Ellis's second wife's first partnership - if that makes sense! So not sure about the fee - perhaps half a fee ;D YAR
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Post by llosgi calch on Feb 7, 2006 23:16:54 GMT
Shame your not blood related... But there again it is'nt really such a shame as you've both learnt info that you did'nt know before hand. So I guess this could possibly be gauged as a success story/thread.
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Post by valed on Apr 3, 2006 15:03:06 GMT
My great grand-parents were called Thomas Ellis and Sarah (nee Williams). I am sure that they tie in with your relatives (?) They lived in Salem Road Coedpoeth when my mother Linda (nee Roberts) was a child. Mum is now 83 by the way. Unfortunately, she does not remember much about her grand-father's relatives.
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Post by welshlass on Apr 3, 2006 18:30:21 GMT
I am a bit further along with my Ellis clan now and they are the same Ellis family as your mums.I will put some info on the list a bit later :)Ros
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Post by welshlass on Apr 3, 2006 21:00:27 GMT
Just briefly! Robert Ellis c1804 married Mary ?c1808 Children; William Ellis c1838 Thomas Ellis c1843 Anne Ellis c1846 Enoch Ellis c1848 Thomas Ellis c 1843 Married Sarah Williams c 1848 Children; Mary J Ellis 1870 Shem Ellis 1871-1959 Robert William Ellis 1873 John Williams Ellis 1875 Thomas Henry Ellis 1879 George Ellis 1881 Sarah(Nellie) Ellen Ellis 1883 Grace Ellis 1886 Elizabeth Ann Ellis ( my Nain) 1887-1953 Adeline Ellis 1891 Catherine (Kate) Ellis 1894 Catherine (Kate )Ellis married David Charles Roberts Children ; Eric Roberts 1918-1990 Linda Roberts 1922 Dilys Roberts 1931 And that brings it up to your generation! I will have a think and ask any questions that spring to mind! Ros
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Post by valed on Apr 5, 2006 15:38:30 GMT
My great-grandparents' names were Thomas Ellis and Sarah (nee Williams) . They lived in Salem Terrace, Salem Road, Coedpoeth. There must be a link with some of the info that you have posted about the "Ellis" family.
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Post by valed on Apr 5, 2006 15:40:18 GMT
Sorry, I've repeated myself! I thought I had written before (but this time had not turned to page 2).
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Post by welshlass on Apr 5, 2006 19:27:16 GMT
The Thomas Ellis and Sarah Williams are your relations!
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Post by valed on Sept 4, 2006 17:33:27 GMT
not so much a quick reply - sorry. Yes they are my great-grandparents.
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Post by welshlass on Sept 14, 2006 17:54:07 GMT
Have you got any photo's of them?I haven't done as much family history recently-I tend to do more in the winter-the same as a lot of people I guess.Are they buried near you? Ros
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Post by kirstylowe on Oct 31, 2006 22:07:20 GMT
For Welsh Lass, I think my Great Grandfatehr was George Ellis b 1881, do you have any further info on him? I think he married an Edith Morris and they had a son Gwilym and at least 4 daughters Edith May, Gwyneth, Olwyn (my Gran) and Gladys. Thanks Kirsty
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Post by welshlass on Nov 5, 2006 20:44:36 GMT
Hi! my George Ellis ;c 1881 in Brymbo 1881 census Bwlch Gwyn,Brymbo 1891 2 Old Vicarage,Minera 1901 Plasgwyndd Gorse,Bryn Hyfryd,Minera His occupation in 1901 was a Railway Wagon Brakeman
He was married to an Elizabeth(Lizzie) and his children(as far as I know) were Sarah Harriet,Cecilia and Thomas Edward.I know I have some Morris's somewhere! I will have a look! regards Ros
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Post by Hen Locsin on Nov 10, 2006 17:52:27 GMT
Hi Ros , I've most of the Ellis " Twig " in my tree, Shem Married my Grandmother's sister. I can recall back in 1949 delivering eggs to Auntie Mary, at Penybryn, which was next to the Chapel, just past Minera Home. They also lived at No2 Old Vicarage, which was a row of terraced cottages, on the left hand side, just before St Marys Church Minera. I will be pleased to swap Genalealogy reports with you if you're interested. Geoff
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Post by welshlass on Nov 13, 2006 12:38:17 GMT
Hi Geoff! that sounds like a great idea!It's nice to put some meat on the bones of these tree's(or should it be leaves!!!).Let me know how you want to swap info! regards Ros
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Post by Hen Locsin on Nov 14, 2006 17:21:38 GMT
Hi Ros , Thank goodness someone out there is alive and well! I'm quite happy to send you by email a genealogy report, or any other means, a snail mail print off, whatever you suggest. In fact I've been adding some more " stuff " this afternoon, re Shem and Mary, but more of the Llandegla connection. I guess that this family must have lived in almost every property in the vicinity ( Llandegla )between 1800 and 1900. Look forward to hearing from you. Geoff
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