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Post by eluned on Nov 6, 2008 13:57:40 GMT
John Kelly X, Wrexham married Catharine Edwards X, OTP, 1812 at Ruabon.
Edward bap 1815, abode Bersham. Mo11y's line John bap 1817 Mine and Susan's line, Mary bap 1819 m John Jones 1841. May need help with this one! Anne bap 1821 m George Belton 1848. No known children to Ann. Hannah bap 1824. Hannah bur Wrexham 1826 All baptised at Wrexham PC, John always a miner and always living Minera.
Also James bap Wern 1826. Bur Wrexham 1826
John and Catherine buried Minera
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Post by eluned on Nov 6, 2008 20:51:07 GMT
Although not a direct desendent of my Kelly's but close enough to warrant a mention, George Belton and his second wife Jane have two daughters. Mary Jane bap.1855 and Ann 1858. In 1871 Jane Belton, wid is living at Pentre Cottages, with daurs Mary Jane 15 and Ann 12. William Thomas boarder, gardener, unm, 40and Alfred Rance " lab, unm, 32. Mary Jane has an illegitimate daur, bap Minera 1873 called Martha Ann to William Thomas, lab. Abode Pant Tywyll. 1881 Tan y Bwlch, Minera Wm Thomas mar 49 Mary Jane " 30 wife and their children Jane Belton visitor, wid eluned
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Post by hilary on Nov 6, 2008 22:09:01 GMT
Hi Eluned, George Belton is my second cousin three times removed (apparently!) and I have him married to Jane, but Jane unknown at the moment. He is on the family tree that I've inherited and I haven't looked into his life in any detail, so I didn't know he had been married twice, either. Was Jane one of your Kellys?
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Post by eluned on Nov 6, 2008 22:15:11 GMT
Hi Hilary, George's first wife was Anne Kelly and he then married Jane. So no real link to my line, sorry. George marr Anne Kelly St Giles 1848, I don't think they had any children They are bur Minera img-7529 Just checked for his second marriage George Belton marr Jane PRICE Dec 1/4 1853 St Giles Eluned
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Post by hilary on Nov 6, 2008 22:27:43 GMT
Thanks Eluned, very helpful Hilary
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Post by eluned on Nov 8, 2008 15:50:58 GMT
Hi Hilary, I just recalled having had a discussion about George in the past and found it on your Belton thread. Heather had very kindly done some searches at the time and found two possible baptisms for him. I just want to confirm that George Belton marrying Anne Kelly, was defo father Isaac. eluned
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Post by hilary on Nov 8, 2008 18:04:31 GMT
I've just checked the family tree - which was extensively researched and cross checked but not by me - George is the son of Thomas Belton (1797-1837) by his second wife Elizabeth Williams;the only children of George mentioned are Mary Jane and Ann. BUT A few months ago I bought a copy of the will of Isaac Belton; I have never had time to tie this one in with the rest of the family (might do it now!) but he lived at Waen Fawr on the Flintshire side. He left small amounts to the children of his second marriage (wife Mary Bartly apparently) and £1 each to his children by his first wife (not named) and those children were Isaac, William, George and Robert. As Isaac Belton made his will in 1850, when he was sick (his words), could this be the Isaac and George? If you think so, we can do a little more digging? Hilary Heather: one of the witnesses was Aaron Francis - was this one of your names? PPs, just checked the tree again, this Isaac Belton first married another Elizabeth Williams in 1806 and the children are listed as Isaac, William, Robert and Edwards – George has not been discovered; he then married Mary ‘Berkley’ and had children Sina, Diana, Mary and Edward – the names may be close if not correct, I think there might have been problems deciphering the handwriting, as some of the names in the Will are just a bit different. Isaac was my great great great grandfather. I hadn’t realised, until now, that I had bought such an interesting will! Hilary
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Post by eluned on Nov 8, 2008 18:33:36 GMT
Hi Hilary, Have sent you a PM
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Post by hilary on Nov 9, 2008 20:44:38 GMT
In case it interests anyone else, it now seems that Ann Kelly was the second wife of George Belton and that this particular George Belton was the son of Isaac Belton. Isaac Belton (c1808-1893) lived at Waen Fawr which is just on the Flintshire side of the little bridge on the Bwlchgwyn Llanarmon Road from the four crosses and he was my great great great grandfather. In his will he left £13/2/6 divided between his children from his frist marriage, the children of his second marriage and the children from his second wife's first marriage...to be paid 12 months after his decease!
Hilary
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Post by eluned on Nov 9, 2008 20:59:12 GMT
Hi Hilary, I am so pleased that Isaac made such a great recovery from his illness at the time of writing his will and that he lived for a further 43 years
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Post by hilary on Nov 9, 2008 21:06:07 GMT
Oh no! Not more Isaacs!! I'll let you know!
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Post by hilary on Nov 12, 2008 0:05:47 GMT
I've partly solved the Isaac Belton mystery, according to the family tree (which I am quoting "as is" for now", my great great grandfather, Isaac Belton, lived 1778-1851 and his son, also Isaac Belton, was 1807 to 1883 (both death dates are circa and they're about a year out), so at least I'm happy about the author of the Will....as to George.....! A bigger question, though, is my family tree correct? That's for another day, but well spotted, Lynne!
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Post by jojo on Nov 12, 2008 17:31:27 GMT
Hi Hilary
baptized Llandegla Apr 12, 1812 George BELTON, s/o Isaac & Elizabeth. abode Ty'n y BW
1851 Census, Minera, HO107/2503/13 George BELTON, head, age 38, M, Limer, born Llandegla, Denbs. Ann BELTON, wife, age 30, born Minera, Denbs.
next door is Catherine KELLY, widow, age 68, Pauper (Miners Widow) "S-Isaf" nr. Ruabon
Ann Belton was buried at Minera August 14, 1852
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Post by jojo on Nov 12, 2008 17:51:58 GMT
there is a burial noted at Llandegla Oct 21, 1836
Sina BELTON, age 9, Waen-Fawr
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Post by eluned on Nov 15, 2008 21:33:04 GMT
Hi Jojo, Catherine was born Stryt Issa near Ruabon. Hilary, Just to confirm,at the time he married Jane Price in 1853, George Belton was aged 40yrs, a lime man living Minera and was the son of Isaac Belton, farmer but does say he is a bachelor Hope this helps, eluned
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Post by anniebowen on Nov 20, 2008 12:29:39 GMT
Just a thought re.early Kelly family-there were many Kellys living in Flintshire pre the late 1700s when they appeared in the Minera area.Perhaps there is a connection.
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Post by eluned on Nov 24, 2008 10:40:03 GMT
BUT A few months ago I bought a copy of the will of Isaac Belton; I have never had time to tie this one in with the rest of the family (might do it now!) but he lived at Waen Fawr on the Flintshire side. He left small amounts to the children of his second marriage (wife Mary Bartly apparently) and £1 each to his children by his first wife (not named) and those children were Isaac, William, George and Robert Hilary Now that the George Beltons are sorted..... I see that it was George and Ann nee Kelly that inherited £1 from his father Isaac. At least Ann would have lived the high life during her final year! Interestingly £1 0s 0d from 1850 was worth: £82.37 using the retail price index £746.30 using the average earnings
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Post by athomas on Nov 25, 2008 19:22:27 GMT
Hi Every one, reading about the Kelly family, have you come across a Ann Kelly married to Charles Littler, Adway r clawdd Bersham, I have their son,s B, cert 1850, a Charles, Litler but in the 1851 census it is spelt Litten. I cannot trace the family before 1851 Charles snr came from Cheshire. any information would be most welcomed. regards Ann
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Post by eluned on Nov 25, 2008 19:38:09 GMT
Hi Anne, There is an Anne Kelly bap. Feb 1 1807 St Giles, Wrexham to Thomas and Anne, miner
I am afraid the 1841 census isn't available for this area, much to the annoyance of many!!!
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Post by eluned on Nov 25, 2008 22:20:06 GMT
Minera PRsBaptism 15/2/1846 Margaret to Charles Littler and Ann, Penygelli Wern ChapelBaptism 2/10/1835 Born 27/8/1835 Anne Littlewood to Charles, lab, and Anne nee Kelly, Bersham. Harriet ditto Bap. 6/5/1834 B. 22/4/1834 Of Nant. These transcribed registers have very kindly been put online by shedevil, a coordinator on this site. To find the website, go to the Parish Records link on this site's home page.
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Post by tominera on Nov 26, 2008 19:45:33 GMT
Hi,There is a Charles Littler aged 76 yrs bur. 21/5 /1926 in plot no 1466 Coedpoeth Cemetery which could be yours but there is only one name for this plot and no Lee W IMG. Good Luck Tom
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Post by athomas on Dec 10, 2008 20:58:25 GMT
Re: Ann Kelly, Hi, Thank you for all your help with Ann Kelly & Charles Littler, I have been in touch with a minera member and he has sent me some more information, at the moment I am sorting it all out, but will keep you posted with my findings best regards, Athomas
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Post by ceridwen on Oct 3, 2011 16:45:58 GMT
Just noticed this thread. This is a bit tangential but in a family history I inherited I have a George Belton, son of Isaac, marrying Mary Price in 1839, and I think he may be the George who married Ann Kelly. According to the research someone else did two sons of Isaac Belton (George and Robert) married two Price sisters (Mary married George and Ann Price married Robert Belton). Although the family history I have does not seem to know what happened to Mary (Price) Belton I think she must have died. Robert Belton and Ann Price were the witnesses at the marriage of George and Mary. Not sure if this does actually throw any light on George Belton or make it more complicated!
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Post by eluned on Oct 3, 2011 17:29:22 GMT
Hi ceridwen and welcome George married 3 times 1.Mary Price 2 Feb 1839 St Giles Mary appears to have died Sept 1/4 1941 2. Mary Kelly 3.Jane Price 31 Dec 1853 St Giles There are other threads on this forum relating to the Beltons that you may like to have a look at too
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Post by ceridwen on Oct 4, 2011 22:17:15 GMT
Thanks Eluned, that is what I had thought, just wasn't sure whether each marriage was the same George. Splendid, another query sorted!
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Post by eluned on Oct 5, 2011 8:03:00 GMT
George Belton X full age, bac, miner, Minera, father Isaac Belton, limer Mary Price X full age, spin, servant, Minera, father David Price, miner Wit. Robert Belton X and Anne Price X
George Belton, full age, widower, limer, Minera. Father Issac Belton, farmer. Ann Kelly full age, spin, cottager, Minera, Father John Kelly, keeper. Both made their marks X Wit. Edward Morris X and Jane Williams X
George Belton X, 40, bac, limeman, Minera, father Isaac Belton, farmer Jane Price X, 26, Minera, father Edward Price, labourer wit. William Jones and Martha Williams
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Post by eluned on Mar 20, 2018 13:02:03 GMT
Has anyone with Kelly ancestry done a DNA test? My GEDMatch is A499683
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