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Post by daverussell on Feb 24, 2009 20:53:18 GMT
Hi all,
I am researching HARRISONS of Minera abt'1820 onwards, and later in Coedpoeth. Edward the patriarch of my line was originally from Llangynog and worked in the Minera lead mines. Son Benjamin became a prominent local man, a Grocer, deacon of first Wern and later Salem Chapels and a Denbighshire councillor. His son John was a builder and contractor in the early years of the 20th C, and built and lived at Bryn Derw, a red brick house on the RHS of the main road as you go from Salem and the modern village centre towards Bwlchgwyn. Benjamin was my grandmother's grandfather. Links also to EDWARDS (Bersham, Wern), PARRY (with Llandegla/Pentrecelyn connections) JONES of LLanuwchllyn, HOPKIN REES (the missionary) and (I think) SHONE/SHANE (Wern).
Any info, links or comments welcome.
Dave
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Post by jojo on Feb 24, 2009 22:10:56 GMT
Hi Dave Welcome! Hope you are able to find some connections. Heather
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Post by tominera on Feb 24, 2009 22:17:42 GMT
HARRISON Margaret aged 90yrs bur.12 1 1914 HARRISON Benjamin aged 82 yrs bur 15 1 1912 HARRISON Mary Ellen aged 27yrs bur 17 7 1896--all 3 in plot 723 and there is a LW IMG 9548 HARRISON John aged 77yrs d 10 1 1940 bur 13 1 1940 HARRISON Mary Ellen aged 87yrs d 17 12 1960 bur 21 12 1960 House name confirms these are correct and they are in plot 724 and again there is a LW IMG 9549 all 5 in Coedpoeth Cemetery Good Luck Tom
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Post by tominera on Feb 24, 2009 22:30:56 GMT
I also have a pic of a gravestone in Wern with the following inscriptions which may or maybe not yours Mary Anne aged 29 yrs d 19 12 1860 wife of Edward HARRISON Plough Inn Llandegla Margaret Anne 84 yrs d 23 1 1921 his second wife
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Post by eluned on Feb 25, 2009 12:01:19 GMT
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Post by annedw on Feb 25, 2009 12:45:19 GMT
There is Mary Ellen Harrison baptised in Salem Father Benjamin , grocer ,mother Margaret. The date is July 27, but the year seems to be definately wrong. Free BMD has these Mary Ellen Harrisons. Sep 1867 Dec 1870 Jun 1871 Mar 1887 Anyone of these could be the one Also bapt in Salem is this one, Alwyn Harrison, Chi Chow China. born 06 December 1892 Bapt 05 February 1893 Son of Parch William Hopkyn REES, Reverend. Missionary to China) and Margaret HARRISON
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Post by annedw on Feb 25, 2009 13:23:58 GMT
Don`t know if you already have these. 1901 RG13; Piece: 5219; Folio: 33; Page: 8. 86 High St Coedpoeth Benjamin Harrison 71 grocer b Minera Margaret wife 76 b Bersham Elizabeth J James 16 servant b Ruthin. Above this entry in the adress column is written. Smithy, S Jackson Masons Yard, C Cadwalldr. Office yard, J Harrison. Below the Harrison`s is 1 /2/ 3 Harrisons Cottages, 1891 RG12; Piece: 4614; Folio 123; Page 26; Living in Smelt. Benjamin Harrison 61 grocer Margaret Harrison 66 John Harrison S son 28 builder & contractor b Coedpoeth Mary E Harrison S dau 22 Assistant at home b " Elizabeth Bryan 15 servant b Coedpoeth. Living in the next address , Harrison Row , Smelt is = Elizabeth Kelly head, married and 60 born Adwy. 1881 RG11; Piece: 5515; Folio: 127; Page: 18 Living in Smelt Benjamin Harrison 53 grocer Margaret Harrison 57 Margaret Harrison dau unm21 Mary E. Harrison dau unm 13 This time the next address is Harris Row. 1871 RG10; Piece: 5655; Folio: 117; Page: 19; ,Old Machine House, Ruthin road , , Coedpoeth Lots more children at home. All born Coedpoeth. Benjamin Harrison 41 shop keeper Margret Harrison 45 Edward Harrison 15 Margaret Harrison 11 John Harrison 9 Elizabeth A Harrison 7 Mary E Harrison 4 1861 RG9; Piece: 4285; Folio: 21; Page: 35 Coedpoeth Benjamine Harris 32 washer of lead ore b Pen y Graig Margaret Harris 36 b Rhosberse. Edward Harris 5 Elizabeth Harris 3 Margaret Harris 1 Edward Harris boarder 65 unm leadminer b Ruthin.. 1851 HO107; Piece: 2503; Folio: 724; Page: 10; Living at Pen Y Graig , Minera . Edward Harrison 61 lead miner b Llangynog Elizabeth Harrison 63 b Bersham Benjamin Harrison son 22 Lead miner.b pen Y Graig George Harrison visitor 27 Lead mine agent b Wern Mary Williams widow 23 servant b Minera 1841 , There is no census available for this area.
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Post by daverussell on Feb 25, 2009 19:51:56 GMT
HARRISON Margaret aged 90yrs bur.12 1 1914 HARRISON Benjamin aged 82 yrs bur 15 1 1912 HARRISON Mary Ellen aged 27yrs bur 17 7 1896--all 3 in plot 723 and there is a LW IMG 9548 HARRISON John aged 77yrs d 10 1 1940 bur 13 1 1940 HARRISON Mary Ellen aged 87yrs d 17 12 1960 bur 21 12 1960 House name confirms these are correct and they are in plot 724 and again there is a LW IMG 9549 all 5 in Coedpoeth Cemetery Good Luck Tom Many thanks for this. I didn't have the burial dates. Mary Ellen was Benjamin & Margaret's unmarried daughter. She laid the foundation stone for the re-building of Salem chapel - there is a memorial stone set into the front wall of the chapel. Brother John was building contractor for the work according to family oral history. The Plough Llandegla Harrisons are a seperate branch; they have some tantalisingly similar names in the family but no direct link found yet. Dave
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Post by daverussell on Feb 25, 2009 20:02:50 GMT
There is Mary Ellen Harrison baptised in Salem Father Benjamin , grocer ,mother Margaret. The date is July 27, but the year seems to be definately wrong. Free BMD has these Mary Ellen Harrisons. Sep 1867 Dec 1870 Jun 1871 Mar 1887 Anyone of these could be the one Also bapt in Salem is this one, Alwyn Harrison, Chi Chow China. born 06 December 1892 Bapt 05 February 1893 Son of Parch William Hopkyn REES, Reverend. Missionary to China) and Margaret HARRISON I don't know exactly when MEH was born but July 1867 baptism comes closest to fitting the census and death dates . Hopkyn Rees was a missionary in China although we did believe that Alwyn at least was born in Coedpoeth. This baptism is also new information for me - very many thanks. I already have the census information but you've done me a big favour gathering it all in one place! Some of my early notes go back to the 1980s and are far from methodical! As far as I know, some portions of the 1841 census were lost for Wrexham area. In 1861 Benjamin is shown as "Harris" rather than Harrison. Thanks again for your help. Dave
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Post by daverussell on Feb 25, 2009 20:17:30 GMT
Thanks for these. The rootsweb query is from a lady who I was in touch with some years ago. She is descended through the Hopkyn Rees marriage to Margaret Harrison (see above). However I had lost her email address so you have done me a great favour pointing me to that. I have recently seen the red zone transcripts of the Wern registers. This raised a interesting problem for me, because I thought that, via IGI, I had identified siblings of Benjamin Harrison and his mother's maiden name. However, I now see discrepancies in the IGI transcription (not unusual ? ) so it's back to square one in terms of tracing Benjamin's mother's line. Luckily, I had not done much on it. Thanks again to everyone who responded to my original post. What a nice crowd you are! Dave
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Post by jojo on Feb 25, 2009 21:37:45 GMT
Marriage by BANNS at Wrexham St. Giles
April 13, 1812 Edward HARRISON X otp ba miner Elizabeth SHONE X sp
witnessed by Thomas ROBERTS X Margaret ROBERTS X
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Post by jojo on Feb 26, 2009 5:16:02 GMT
Baptism at Wrexham St Giles
June 16, 1788 SHONE, Eliz b. 31 Mar d/o Thos. (Farmer) & Anne abode Bry.
Marriage by BANNS at Wrexham St. Giles
Oct 27, 1787 Thos. SHONE X otp Anne JONES X otp witnesses Edward JONES Richard MEESON (most likely a church official as he witnessed almost every marriage at that time)
also on the same page
Sep 24, 1787 George SHONE X otp Mary HUGHES X otp witnesses Evan WILLIAMS Richd MEESON
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Post by jojo on Feb 26, 2009 7:17:29 GMT
And one more which might be helpful
Baptism Wrexham St. Giles November 10, 1765 SHONE, Thomas s/o Henry (farmer) abode Bry.
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Post by daverussell on Feb 26, 2009 13:26:34 GMT
Thanks for all these, jojo. What I am grappling with is this:
As I have noted elsewhere, in the 1980s my initial enthusiasm I was not as methodical as I should have been. According to my summarised notes from then, I saw the Wern chapel registers on fiche at Ruthin records office , and noted Benjamin's parents as Edward Harrison and Eliz. Shone. This is also in line with the IGI. However, I have lost my raw notes, so can't be certain about any of the information. Now I see in the red zone transcripts from Wern that Benjamin's parents are shown as EH and Elizabeth Clarke. All the other info I noted fits OK. So I need to track back to the originals and check this. But if Shone is correct, you have taken me a generation back - thanks again.
Dave
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Post by annedw on Feb 26, 2009 17:01:01 GMT
Looking at the original Wern register, I would say it looks more like Shone than Clarke. Also baptised to Edward Harrison , miner and Elizabeth formerly Shone. John born 28 Dec 1818 bapt 17 Jan 1819 Thomas born 24 Dec 1826 bapt 29 Dec 1826 I`ve found the 1861 census now and added it to the rest. Willl send a PM.
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Post by jojo on Feb 26, 2009 17:08:14 GMT
Dave
The information I posted is not from the IGI or the Wern registers. I will send you a PM.
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Post by annedw on Feb 26, 2009 18:48:05 GMT
www.tom-mercer-mi-indexes.org.uk/Salem,%20Coedpoeth.htm These names are in Salem MI`s , the number is just the page they`re on. Might be worth checking out as they seem to be buried in Coedpoeth as well Of course these are just names recorded as being on the stone and doesn`t mean they are actually buried there. The books are in Wrexham museum. BENJAMIN HARRISON 43 EDWARD HARRISON 43 MARGARET HARRISON 43 M. E. HARRISON 71
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Post by eluned on Feb 27, 2009 10:05:10 GMT
HARRISON Margaret aged 90yrs bur.12 1 1914 HARRISON Benjamin aged 82 yrs bur 15 1 1912 HARRISON Mary Ellen aged 27yrs bur 17 7 1896--all 3 in plot 723 and there is a LW IMG 9548 HARRISON John aged 77yrs d 10 1 1940 bur 13 1 1940 HARRISON Mary Ellen aged 87yrs d 17 12 1960 bur 21 12 1960 House name confirms these are correct and they are in plot 724 and again there is a LW IMG 9549 all 5 in Coedpoeth Cemetery Good Luck Tom Unsure if you were aware of Lee Wettons site so heres the link. www.clwyd-mi.co.uk/Sorry if you already knew this
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Post by daverussell on Feb 27, 2009 11:16:47 GMT
Thanks again everyone. As a result of this thread I now have the following confirmed (in summary):
Edward Harrison m. Elizabeth Shone 1812, offspring as follows; (gap - missing sibling ? ) John 1819 Edward 1821 George 1823 Thomas 1826 Benjamin 1829
...plus the likely Shone line a further generation back ...plus all the burial info for Benjamin's family
Marvellous! Glad I signed up here.
Dave
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Post by annedw on Feb 27, 2009 12:23:18 GMT
On Alwyn`s baptism it seems to be that William Hopkyns address is China, and looking at the census Alwyn was born in Coedpeth. Margaret must have been a strong woman to travel back and forth with such a young family, or perhaps the children stayed over here with relations. Alwyn Rees, in 1901. RG13; Piece: 1239; Folio: 73; Page: 22. 28 Albert Road, Hornsey Middx Margaret Rees 41 head b Coedpoeth Myfanwy Rees 19 dau b Llechrid Pembroke Daisy Rees 10 son b China Alwyn Rees 8 son b Coedpoeth Rhomny Rees 6 dau b China Margaret Owen 16 servant b Bethesda. THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING, just enter Rees in the search box. www.soas.ac.uk/jrc/newsletter/48871.pdf
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Post by daverussell on Feb 27, 2009 17:15:36 GMT
Fascinating stuff. I knew that Janet married Kenneth Evans but not that he was a missionary; they probably met in China. There is a book (in Welsh) about William Hopkyn Rees published by the London Missionary Society in 1960. A Hopkyn Rees descendant kindly supplied me with an English translation some time ago. Checking through that this afternoon (plus some other info from the H-R family) has produced the following outline chronology.
William and Margaret married 12/7/1882 at Wern Myfanwy b. 21/6/1883 Pembroke William and Margaret depart for China 31/8/1883 Janet b. 21/8/1884 China Gwladys b. 11/2/1886 China Gwendolen b. 15/12/1888 China Margaret (aka Daisy?) b. 25/11/1890 China William and Margaret and the girls return home 9/1891. Alwyn b. 6/12/1892 Coedpoeth Abt. 1893 They return again to China. Rhonwen b. 31/1/1895 China 1899 “Boxer” troubles; Christians persecuted and killed. 1900 (Spring) family return again to UK. 1901 Feb. William arrives back in China. Margaret & 4 children in 1901 UK census. 1905 holiday in UK 1912 spent year in UK. 1919 returned to UK for last time. 1924 William d. 4th August High Barnet
The children obviously acquired a travel gene. Looking at them and their descendants to the present, locations include UK, USA, Jamaica, Ireland, S Africa, China, India, Spain. Mefanwy and Margaret jnr. also became missionaries.
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Post by jojo on Feb 27, 2009 18:15:16 GMT
Thanks again everyone. As a result of this thread I now have the following confirmed (in summary): Edward Harrison m. Elizabeth Shone 1812, offspring as follows; (gap - missing sibling ? ) John 1819 Edward 1821 George 1823 Thomas 1826 Benjamin 1829 DaveThe missing siblings 1813-1818 could have been baptized at Wrexham St. Giles ? Wern Chapel was erected in 1807 so guess it depends on when the family became non-conformist. Heather
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Post by annedw on Feb 28, 2009 18:04:27 GMT
I found some articles in the Times about Rev Rees and his family. Brief details are =
29 April 1922 Tiensin, China . Basil Edward Foster Hall son of Foster Hall married Rhonwen Howard Rees, youngest daughter of Rev Hopkyn Rees
1924 Obituary 1924 Photograph of Rev Rees.
1925. Rev Kenneth Evans died of drowning at Barmouth
1932 Leiden. Death. Gwendolyn Mary Duyvendak, fourth daughter of Rev Hopkyn Rees
1953 Engagement in Uganda. Miss Dilys Charlotte Hopkyn Rees and Ralph Francis Naylor
If you would like to see the actual articles I can email them to you, but you will have to give me your email adress in a personal message.
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Post by annedw on Mar 1, 2009 14:34:15 GMT
Looking at John Harrison born c 1863.
1881 12 Queen St Rhyl. He is living with an Estate Agent and his family, perhaps he had a job in the building trade. Sylvanus P Evans head 44 Estate agent b Llangiernw Denbs Mary Anne Evans 50 wife Allen Evans 17 Jane Evans 16 Sarah Evans 12 Richard Evans 11 Anne J. Evans 18 servant b Rhuddlan John Thomas boarder 70 labourer b Lincoln John Harrison boarder 18 joiner b Coedpoeth
1891 Back at home with his parents.
1901 RG13; Piece: 5219; Folio: 45; Page: 32. I can`t make out the address , it`s very faint, but the next one is Willow Road. John is described as an `employer` so was presumably running his own business by then. John Harrison 38 builder & contracter Mary E wife 28 b Coedpoeth
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Post by daverussell on Mar 2, 2009 9:38:55 GMT
Looking at John Harrison born c 1863. 188112 Queen St Rhyl. He is living with an Estate Agent and his family, perhaps he had a job in the building trade. Sylvanus P Evans head 44 Estate agent b Llangiernw Denbs Mary Anne Evans 50 wife Allen Evans 17 Jane Evans 16 Sarah Evans 12 Richard Evans 11 Anne J. Evans 18 servant b Rhuddlan John Thomas boarder 70 labourer b Lincoln John Harrison boarder 18 joiner b Coedpoeth 1891 Back at home with his parents. 1901 RG13; Piece: 5219; Folio: 45; Page: 32. I can`t make out the address , it`s very faint, but the next one is Willow Road. John is described as an `employer` so was presumably running his own business by then. John Harrison 38 builder & contracter Mary E wife 28 b Coedpoeth 1888 Wrexham Civil marriage. North Wales BMD John Henry Harrison Mary Ellen Roberts / Margaret Jones. Is this the right one. If so why is he living with his parents and described as single in 1891 All the census info fits with what we know of John's life via oral information. He was a woodworker by trade, but had his own building and contracting business in Coedpoeth by the late 1880s. He was born 8/6/1862, baptised at Wern and attended Penygelli school. He married Mary Ellen Jones in 1900. (GRO Wxm Q4 Vol.11b p.566) For many years my grandparents had in their house a fantastic sideboard/bookcase/display cabinet which John built for M-E as a wedding gift, and the date was prominently carved on it. My grandmother inherited it on M-Es death in 1960. Oral info says that Mary Ellen was from the Nant and had at least a brother (Brynley ? ) and a sister. I've just looked now and there is a likely candidate in the 1891 census at Pen y Felin with brother Brindley, parents Daniel/Mary plus 6 other children. The Rhyl connection is very interesting. My grandmother had the idea that at one time someone in the family had worked at Gwrych Castle. I wonder if that was John?
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