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Post by elaine on Mar 28, 2008 14:34:11 GMT
Hi again Just like to say that this is a great site and I have found out so much just by reading everyone elses queries. However I have a couple more queries. how do I start......
Lot & Dulce R Jones. 51 census living in Gegin Wen (I take it this is Gegin Lane, Minera cos previous adrs. on census is Pen y Palmant.
No record on 61 c
71 c has them living at 'Road to Penygelli - J. Brooks Houses'. The previous family has a head of house as being John Brooks, and the prevoius adrs is Talwrn Road. any idea where this would have been? Brooks was a stonemason.
Lot & Dulce had a son Thomas who married Ann Evans. I have no record of them in 81 c. In the 91 c they are at Banks Row. Would that have been near their next address (01 c) of Pattinsons Row. I have found Pattinsons Row.
Every entry for Thomas before and after marriage differs on his birthplace within the area. 51c-Wrexham, Denb 71c-Brymbo, Denb 91c-Bersham, Denb 01c-Fynnon Farm I am trying to narrow it down and am thinking cos Lot is in Minera in 51 (Thomas born 41) that it is in that area and the Fynnon farm is a bit more specific. Did the recorder misinterpret Fynnon Nephal or could it be Fynnon Cerw Farm or is there another Fynnon farm?
My Nain Louisa Jones' family (great grandaughter of Lot) had the nickname of 'The lot's' which could have been carried through generations from Lot. My dad who was a miner (in the days when we still had pits!) told me that it was fairly common to tag on a persons parents name to distinguish people with common names. He didn't know about Lot until I found him, now its beginning to make sense. Thanks again for an informative site that doesn't want to sell me anything.
Elaine
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Post by Hen Locsin on Mar 28, 2008 17:29:16 GMT
Hi Elaine, With reference to the Gegin Wen, you're certainly in the right area, there were two such public houses. I guess that would have been in the days of the Drovers, the Gegin Wen & Gegin Ddu. No doubt you understand their translation, ( you referred to your Nain ) as White Kitchen & Black Kitchen. One has to wonder why? Hen Locsin
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Post by Hen Locsin on Mar 28, 2008 17:42:59 GMT
Elaine I have an extract of an old map if you're interested, but cannot send unless you have an E-Mail address. The properties were on what is known locally as the " Old Road," between the turning left for Minera, at Penypalment farm, and the entrance to Cae Haidd, ( Currently for sale ) further up, towards Gwynfryn Hen Locsin
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Post by elaine on Mar 28, 2008 19:22:46 GMT
Hi Hen Locsin (can just about manage black & white kitchens but Locsin has me stumped). I've just been up to look for Gegin Lane and found it, so with your more precise location I can go again and look more closely. I'm only in Wxm and gone as far as i can online. Its now time to get in the car and do some digging. I would really appreciate a look at that map if poss. My e mail is elainew@uwclub.net Thanks again. Any luck with the J. brooks houses?
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Post by annedw on Mar 28, 2008 21:47:39 GMT
Elaine, if you have access to Ancestry.com , and it looks like you do, have a look at the description of the enumeraters route. It will tell where he went and which route he took, it might help. You`ll have to go to 1871 Wales census, then Denbs, then the parish - Bersham and follow on from there. Good luck
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Post by hotwood on Apr 27, 2008 16:52:56 GMT
I remember my nain and taid metioning the LOTS from Coedpoeth.
My Taid (Maternal Grandfather was known as one of the ENGINES)
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Post by kathryn on Aug 5, 2008 14:38:14 GMT
Hi, John Brooks was my husband's great grandfather. I would really appreciate any local information that anyone might have regarding his family.
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Post by eluned on Aug 5, 2008 16:30:12 GMT
Hi kathryn, I can do some census lookups if you are interested but as you are saying local info, I am guessing you may already have this? Lynn
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Post by eluned on Aug 5, 2008 17:27:54 GMT
I found a reference to a John Brooks, Penyfford (Is this a house name?) in a book called Coedpoeth Past. It says he was "on the staff" at Penygelli school. I did notice John b.1853, son of John Brooks, was a pupil teacher. I don't know the date I'm afraid but according to the book, the school opened in 1868.
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Post by annedw on Aug 5, 2008 19:41:52 GMT
Maybe this will help with dates Lynn. Edith Wilcoxon was born summer 1883,went to Penygelli , in April 1899 she started as a pupil teacher at Penygelli and studied there for scholarship exams.
While there she also attended Wrexham County School twice a week, on passing her exams in March 1901 she went to teacher training college in Cardiff.
Sooooo - a pupil teacher would only be aged about 16/18.
In the 1871 census John aged 18 is at British Schools, this is the Coedpoeth and Adwy school, the log books 1868/1889 are at Ruthin, so John will probably be mentioned there.
He also could be in the Wrexham County School Records at Ruthin, but I think there are some items also in Wrexham museum about that school.
Penyfford could be a house name, but there is also a village near Buckley and Mold called Penyffordd.
Okey Dokey . ;D 1881 and the same John Brookes b 1853 Bersham , is married to Mary Ann and a schoolmaster living in the village of Penyffordd , parish of Hope. So there`s a good bit to find on John then.
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Post by eluned on Aug 5, 2008 20:35:45 GMT
I wonder if Kathryn is searching for John junior or senior, or even both At one time the log books were in the school as they had been borrowed long term from DRO. It is a few years now since I viewed them so perhaps you have more up to date knowledge of their whereabouts Annette?
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Post by annedw on Aug 5, 2008 21:41:49 GMT
Just checked my `docs` and the info on Penygelli is dated 2004, so I can say they were at the school then, because I went there to see them. I remember the secretary telling me they had been `borrowed` from Ruthin for a millenium project and they had not got round to returning them,. They could well be still in the school then, I suppose a phone call to either Penygelli or Ruthin would say for definate. I remember thinking the logs were more like a diary of the head, full of personal thoughts. there was a scarlet fever outbreak and children were dying, the head was very concerned about his/her own children. Also there was a teacher who seemed to like his `free time` a bit too much. Mention was made of his weekends in Rhyl where he didn`t turn up for school on the Mondays. Too much sun maybe. Again, William Lowe did a speech on his proposed plans for a channel tunnel, I wonder what sort of reception that got, they probably thought he was off his head.
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Post by eluned on Aug 5, 2008 21:48:12 GMT
Coedpoeth CemeteryJohn Brooks of Adwy, died Jan (10th) 1909 aged (34)yrs Numbers are difficult to read on the image or do I just need glasses also Mary Brooks wife, died April 8th 1947, 67yrs BMD Deaths Wrexham John Brookes b.1877 d.Mar 1/4 1909 also John Brooks b.1871 d.Jun 1/4 1907
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Post by annedw on Aug 6, 2008 6:13:22 GMT
Going back to the schools, British Schools and Penygelli were not the same, they were on opposite sides of the road,
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Post by eluned on Aug 6, 2008 7:18:25 GMT
Oh right, I think I remember this vaguely from my "walks" up and down High Street with the census enumerator. So those log books are with DRO. It is possible that the gentleman's recollections in the book aren't correct. I found one such discrepancy when doing my own FH. Or perhaps John worked at both schools at different times Back to John Brooks House and it being on the road to Penygelli? Possibly Castle Rd
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Post by annedw on Aug 6, 2008 11:04:52 GMT
Edith was called ` a pupil teacher` as she was still attending Penygelli as a pupil at the time, and just assisting a teacher, then went to college. It looks like John attended the British School, and was `pupil teacher`there, and then taught at Penygelli after completing his training. There is the ten years between 1871/81 where he could have been at Penygelli, perhaps he had not married and was still living in the area. Penyfford seems a long way to travel to Coedpoeth, maybe he taught in that area . In 1891 he was still living in Penyffordd, and an elementery teacher.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 6, 2008 13:27:45 GMT
Hi again, I'm interested in John Brooks senior, he was a stonemason and builder and when my mother-in-law was alive (she was John's granddaughter) she used to talk about the 'Brooks Cottages' in Coedpoeth, so I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the family locally, such as if there were any descendants still living in the area. Thanks everyone for passing on info about his son John, my husband's family come down through another son, William.
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Post by brooksy on Oct 22, 2008 22:59:09 GMT
Hi Eluned, I have just joined, but the John and Mary Brooks in the churchyard (mentioned above) were my grandmother and her first husband, who died when she was only 28. He is not the John Brooks with the schoolteaching connections, and I don't think he had anything to do with the John Brooks houses. In the 1901 census he was living at 4, Adwy Lane, and was described as a collier. Hope this is helpful.
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Post by eluned on Oct 23, 2008 11:04:41 GMT
Hi Brooksy, Thanks for clarifying that, it may help someone with their research.
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