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Post by sooty on Apr 2, 2008 17:54:04 GMT
Hi - family information indicates that Captain John Francis came to Cornwall from South of France - (Basque county, with the Hugenots) and then moved to Minera taking charge of the Minera Lead Mine c1688 before marrying a North Wales woman. I have not been able to verify any of this information and would appreciate any help which could be given
Thanks
Anne
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Post by eluned on Apr 4, 2009 9:05:55 GMT
Hi Anne, We shall see what we can do to help What info do you have about him please? Name of his wife and children? Any dates? I may be teaching my gran to suck eggs here so I shall apologise if that's the case, but have you worked backwards to Captain John through the other generations of your family, this is the easiest way to do family history or are you just trying to find out about this one individual? Have you looked at the Wrexham St Giles Parish Registers? Minera was included in the Wrexham parish until the 1840s. There may be someone on the site who could possible do a lookup for you
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Post by jojo on Apr 4, 2009 22:15:59 GMT
Hi Anne, Have you looked at the Wrexham St Giles Parish Registers? Minera was included in the Wrexham parish until the 1840s. There may be someone on the site who could possible do a lookup for you Hi sooty (love the name ;D) My access to Wrexham PR transcripts starts at 1703 However the Wrexham St Giles BMD records have been transcribed by the Clwyd FHS back to 1618 so they are available for the time frame you are looking for. Wrexham book 5 covers 1682-1702. Perhaps someone local with access to the transcripts at the Clwyd FHS centre at Cefn Mawr or the Palmer centre in Wrexham can help find the marriage for you. Do you have Capt Francis date of death?? Heather
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Post by sooty on Apr 5, 2009 19:31:06 GMT
Hi Eluned - thank you for your response. Any help would be really appreciated. I have Edward Francis - 1774 - died 18.10.1822 as the next entry on my family tree either his grandson or possibly gt grandson. The only notes on Capt John Francis on the family tree were that he came from the Basque area of France with the Huegenots and took over the Lead Mine c1688. Information received from the family states that he married a North Wales woman but apart from this no other info . When in the AN Palmer centre I found a record of birth of Edward Francis 13.10.1802, bapt. Minera Chapel Wrexham 07.11.1802 the son of Edward Francis and Phany Francis (nee Wyn) - this matched family info I already had. I have the information from the family that Edward Francis (1774) had married Frances Wynne from Selattyn, Shropshire though I have found no record of this marriage. Edward Francis (1802) is also listed on the 1851 census as a miller and farmer and I have his year of death as 1876 I have Edward (1774) and Frances's eldest son as being Aaron Francis 18.03.1801 - 07.08.1861 - he married Anne Jones and I have him listed as a grocer at Shop Minera with wife and children on the 1851 census Another of their 10 children was James Moss Francis a grocer and driuggist b.07.12.1805 and died 1856. He married a Gwen Morris and I have him on the 1861 census living at Brynmally Hall, Wrexham I seem to have much more information on the later generations but unfortunately am very sketchy on the connection between Capt John Francis and Edward Francis (1774) Hopefully the information I have listed makes sense I have quite a lot more but felt that this information would possible be easier to review given the connection to shop / chemist. I don't know if the fact they are in business is significant - whether a Mine Manager's desendents would be at an advantage? I appreciate that I am giving limited information which is difficult to research and am realistic about the chances of success but would thank you again for your time Anne Sutton (sooty)
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Post by sooty on Apr 5, 2009 19:48:06 GMT
Hi Heather - glad you like the name - I am Anne Sutton so you can probably see the connection! Rather than relist the information I have passed to Eluned I have copied them below:-
Hi Eluned - thank you for your response. Any help would be really appreciated.
I have Edward Francis - 1774 - died 18.10.1822 as the next entry on my family tree either his grandson or possibly gt grandson. The only notes on Capt John Francis on the family tree were that he came from the Basque area of France with the Huegenots and took over the Lead Mine c1688. Information received from the family states that he married a North Wales woman but apart from this no other info .
When in the AN Palmer centre I found a record of birth of Edward Francis 13.10.1802, bapt. Minera Chapel Wrexham 07.11.1802 the son of Edward Francis and Phany Francis (nee Wyn) - this matched family info I already had. I have the information from the family that Edward Francis (1774) had married Frances Wynne from Selattyn, Shropshire though I have found no record of this marriage. Edward Francis (1802) is also listed on the 1851 census as a miller and farmer and I have his year of death as 1876
I have Edward (1774) and Frances's eldest son as being Aaron Francis 18.03.1801 - 07.08.1861 - he married Anne Jones and I have him listed as a grocer at Shop Minera with wife and children on the 1851 census
Another of their 10 children was James Moss Francis a grocer and driuggist b.07.12.1805 and died 1856. He married a Gwen Morris and I have him on the 1861 census living at Brynmally Hall, Wrexham
I seem to have much more information on the later generations but unfortunately am very sketchy on the connection between Capt John Francis and Edward Francis (1774) Hopefully the information I have listed makes sense I have quite a lot more but felt that this information would possible be easier to review given the connection to shop / chemist. I don't know if the fact they are in business is significant - whether a Mine Manager's desendents would be at an advantage?
I appreciate that I am giving limited information which is difficult to research and am realistic about the chances of success but would thank you again for your time
Anne Sutton (sooty)
If you would like any other information please let me know - I have dates of birth and death for most of the 10 children of Edward Francis and Frances Wynne but even with these was only able to find details on Edward when I went to the AN Palmer centre - I think I probably need to try and arrange another visit although it's around two hours travelling either way!
Thanks again
Anne
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Post by eluned on Apr 5, 2009 20:36:15 GMT
Hi Anne, I don't think I will be able to help you, sorry but hopefully with all the information you've provided there will be people out there who can. Good luck
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Post by jojo on Apr 5, 2009 23:47:53 GMT
Hi "sooty" ;D Baptism Wrexham St. Giles FRANCIS, Edward s/o Aron (miner) abode Minera born August 7, 1774, baptized Aug 20, 1774 Marriage by licence at Wrexham St. Giles Jan 22, 1774 FRANCIS, Aaron ba, otp JONES, Mary (x) sp, otp witnesses Abraham MAUSON John EDWARDS (he witnessed other marriages so probably parish clerk) I'll look for more and post my findings later. Do you know how to search for a marriage licence at the National Library of Wales?Couldn't resist a look ;D...... ADDED from Marriage Bonds on the NLW site JONES, Mary, singlewoman, Wrexham, DEN. 1773, Dec 24. At W. Aaron Francis. A,B. 83/68. That's the good news. Unfortunately there does not appear to be a baptism transcribed for Aaron at Wrexham H
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Post by eluned on Apr 6, 2009 10:10:26 GMT
Francis' Wills at NLW that might be of interest www.llgc.org.ukAaron Francis, Farmer SA/1832/80 Diocese of St Asaph Llanarmon-yn-Ial, Denbighshire David Francis SA/1812/64 1812 ditto Abraham Francis, Farmer SA/1838/78 1838 ditto Thomas Francis, Mine agent SA/1851/60 1851 ditto Edward Francis, Yeoman SA/1771/56 1771 ditto William Francis, Farmer SA/1836/64 1836 ditto Anne Francis, Virgin/Spinster ;D SA/1831/69 1831 ditto
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Post by tominera on Apr 6, 2009 14:45:53 GMT
Hi, Not much help I know but The Minera Shop you refer to must have been the one still in Minera about the 1980,s (a complete guess at date) but I remember it in the Late 1930,s onwards and was always referred to as Siop Arran by everyone (since Adam was a lad I believe.) I have a reasonable pic of it on a postcard sent to my mother about 1917-8 if it is of any interest to you. Tom
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Post by sooty on Apr 6, 2009 21:30:40 GMT
Wow! Thank you - I would never have found out the names like that (or I might still have been looking next year!) I really appreciate your efforts on my behalf Sooty
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Post by sooty on Apr 6, 2009 21:34:19 GMT
Hi - a general thank you to all who have looked into Capt Francis on my behalf. I really appreciate all your efforts which have saved me a ot of time and given me new avenues to explore Thank you Sooty
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Post by jojo on Apr 6, 2009 22:12:13 GMT
You are welcome ;D
I have sent you a personal message (scroll up to the top of the page and click on the message link there)
Heather
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Post by carys on Mar 13, 2011 15:11:11 GMT
Belatedly found this Thread! Sooty seems I have the same Captain John Francis and the same legend re coming to Minera in 1688, but I hadn't got the Hugenot bit. Anyway I come down from Edward Francis 1774 who married Frances Wynne (Selattyn)-can't find the marriage, but I am descended from Aaron born 1801 and who later started the shop and post office. My cousin found a will on NLW site for a Richard Francis of Nercwys in Flintshire, and he leaves something to his grandson Edward son of Aaron. Looks like Aaron Francis married a Mary Jones by license at Wrexham on 22/01/1774. So its a bit of guesswork I'm afraid. My cousin also found a marriage of Richard Francis and Martha Clark at St Mary's Shropshire, but I can't confirm the link betn Captain John and Richard. Also the title Captain in the Monera lead mines was not used until much later, so could all be a family legend. Can u let me know how far u got and which branch are u?
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Post by sooty on Mar 14, 2011 22:27:29 GMT
Carys.. I hadn't checked the site for ages don't know what made me check today!
I come down from Aaron's younger sister Mary who married a Thomas Jones, their son Jesse who married an Elizabeth Wynne was my gt gt ? grandfather. A lot of this information was collated by my gt uncle Alfred Davies
if you want to e-mail me please leave a note and I will send you a message with my contact details. I have a lot of information on Genes Reuinted which I would be happy to share if you are also on this
Look forward to hearing from you
Anne Sutton (sooty)
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Post by sooty on Mar 14, 2011 22:40:41 GMT
Carys... Just remembered I had read something on the site regarding the practice of naming the Mine Manager Captain and that it had started with Captain John Francis who came from Cornwall.... unforunately can't remember which post I read it on Anne
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Post by johnfrancis on Aug 24, 2011 23:16:33 GMT
Hi, Captain John Francis (b. 1668) is my Gt.Gt.Gt.Gt.Gt Grandfather! I think! There is a strong history of mining in our family. My Gt grandfather Daniel Roberts Francis was also a mine captain.Regards - kev@dooney.plus.com
John Kevin Francis
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