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Post by grannyvon65 on Aug 11, 2009 15:23:32 GMT
I am trying to trace my family tree on my dad's side. My dad was John Price Williams born in 1913 and my grandad was Thomas Price Williams born in 1886. I have two addresses where they could have lived - 14 Smithy Road and Heol Hfrydle Coedpoeth. Thomas had a sister martha who married Thomas Griffith and emigrated to America, there was also a Walter and Edward. His mother and father were Walter Williams Engine Driver at a lime works and mother was Elizabeth Jones.
Thomas married Eliza Jane Jones who lived at Cae Adar Farm Minera in 1909. She had a sister Louise and I think there was another sister named gladys. Eliza Jane died in 1926 aged 37 and is buried at Minera church. Any information about either families would be helpful also I would like to know if the dwellings are still there. Thanks.
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Post by abeer on Aug 11, 2009 15:56:15 GMT
Hi, The houses are still there in Smithy road - its a long terrace overlooking the view towards Cheshire - and Heol Hyfrydle is an adjoining small one way road with some old cottages on it. If you download Google earth and type in Coedpoeth 12 Smithy road you will get a birds eye view of it. Cae Adar farm also still exists ( I think) at least there is a Cae Adar lane just below Bwlchgwyn and above Minera.
On the 1891 census I have Cae Adar farm occupied by John Jones (Head) 37 farmer born Brymbo Jane Jones (wife) 28 born Ruthin Mary Elizabeth (daughter) 3 born Minera Eliza Jane ( daughter) 2 born Minera
1901 census same family John Jones 48 now listed as a farmer and assisted overseer Jane (wife) 37 Mary E 13 Eliza J 12 Louisa 8 (daughter) b Minera
I will keep looking for more info for you
Regards, Alison
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Post by abeer on Aug 11, 2009 17:51:13 GMT
Hi again, I think I have found Thomas Williams on the 1901 census
Elizabeth Williams (widow) 50 - b Mold Flints William (son) 28 collier - b Mold Flints Martha (d) 22 not working - b Coedpoeth Walter (s) 17 collier - b Coedpoeth Thomas P (s) 14 collier - b Coedpoeth 14 Heol Hyfrydle, Coedpoeth
RG 13/5219/16
Cant find the family as yet on the 1891 census
Alison
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Post by eluned on Aug 11, 2009 18:14:52 GMT
1891 BershamRG12/4614, f.78, pg.4 Brickyard, High st, Coedpoeth Elizabeth Williams H wid 39 b.Gwernymynyd, Flint, William " son 18 miner b.Nerquis, Flint Susannah " daur 16 dom serv. b. " Edward " son 14 miner b." Martha " daur 11 scholar b.Coedpoeth Walter " son 8 " b." Thomas Price " son 4 " b."All Welsh speaking 1881 BershamRG11/5515, f.110, pg.52 High St, Coedpoeth Walter Williams H mar 34 banks man b.Nerquis Elizabeth " mar 30 b.Mold William " son 9 scholar b." Susannah " daur 7 " b." Edward " son 5 " b." Martha " daur 1 b.Minera
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Post by eluned on Aug 11, 2009 18:40:50 GMT
I think (this is unconfirmed as I haven't seen the marriage cert ) that Susannah marries Edward Kelly son of Joseph and Ellen Kelly. Sep 1/4 1894 Wrexham Civil They have a son named Joseph Walter KELLY b.18 Apr 1895, Brickyard, Coedpoeth Bap. 7 May 1895 Wesleyan Circuit Coedpoeth (probably at Rehoboth Chapel) Susannah dies 14 May 1895 and was buried in Rehoboth chapel. The stone survives as this is one of the ones that was moved to Coedpoeth Cemetery when the Chapel was demolished, but is in poor condition
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Post by eluned on Aug 11, 2009 18:49:22 GMT
MI also Susanah the ------ of Joseph Kelly, who died May-th 1895, aged 21years In the midst of life, we are in death.
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Post by eluned on Aug 11, 2009 19:02:46 GMT
Death reg. Wrexham Walter Williams 40yrs Sep 1/4 1888 There are three marriages Walter Williams to 1.Elizabeth Jones Jun 1/4 1872, Nercwys St Mary 2.Elizabeth Jones Sep 1/4 1873, St Asaph Civil 3.Elizabeth Jones or Sarah Parry Jun 1/4 1874, Wrexham civil So Elizabeth Jones then ;D ;D ;D www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/bmd_welcome.html
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Post by eluned on Aug 11, 2009 20:22:40 GMT
Hi grannyvon65 The marriage certificate will confirm his father's name, as I am sure you know but this could be him 1871 NercwysRG10/5650, f.74, pg.19 Tyn y -yn William Williams H mar 60, farmer of 24acres b.Nerquis Martha " mar 59 farmers wife b.Llanfair, Denbighshire Llewelyn " son unm 29 carpenter b.Nerquis Edwin " son unm 26 carpenter b." Walter " son unm 24 miner b."Anne Lloyd serv. unm 20 dairymaid b." Robert Jones bdr. 12 scholar b." Modified typos!
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Post by tominera on Aug 11, 2009 21:48:11 GMT
Hi Walter Williams Coedpoeth headstone in Minera LW 7623--- Died 6 September 1888 aged 40 yrs late of Tyn Yr Ynn? Nerquis Tom
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Post by eluned on Aug 12, 2009 14:51:09 GMT
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Post by eluned on Aug 13, 2009 9:16:55 GMT
Thanks go to Tominera for confirming that Walter Williams lived Tyn y (-)yn/ Tyn Yr Ynn. Unsure of the correct spelling. 1851 NerquisHO107/2501, f.648, p.23 Cot. Nerquis William Williams H mar 39, ag lab b.Nerquis Matha " wife mar 39 b.Llanfair, Denbighshire Llewelyn " son 9 scholar b.Nerquis Edwin " son 6 scholar b." Walter " son 4 at home b." Price " son (1)? b." Mary " mother 66 pauper b.
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Post by eluned on Aug 13, 2009 9:30:39 GMT
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Post by eluned on Aug 13, 2009 9:37:27 GMT
1841 Mold HO107/1410, E.D 18, f.5, p.4 Nerquis William Williams 25 ag lab born in county Martha Willaims 25 not born in county.
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