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Post by tracy05 on Jan 18, 2006 11:24:44 GMT
Hi my Taid was THOMAS JONES born in 1908, and his wife CATHERINE JONES (nee DAVIES) born 1918. I think I am correct in saying they lived in Heol Adwy, all their married life. If not all, then most of it. My dad is THOMAS JAMES JONES (known as Jimmy) and he was born there in 1942. His siblings still live around the Coedpoeth area. Still alive are Irene, Gwyneth, George, Dennis, and Raymond.
Anyone know them, or researching their family?
Tracy Jones
mainly researching JASPER and ROGERS families from Shropshire and Froncysyllte, but hoping to find time to cover JONES from Coedpoeth.
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Post by llosgi calch on Jan 22, 2006 17:42:35 GMT
Hi Tracy,
Who were Thomas Jones parents '?'.
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Post by tracy05 on Jun 19, 2006 12:20:27 GMT
I have very little information on the families when it comes to dates. Jones is pretty hard isn't it, and my dad's memory is not very good (due to illness). Here is what I have:
Thomas's parents were William JOnes and Harriet Unknown. They had 4 children, Dennis, George, Thomas and May. Thomas being my Taid.
Catherine was born in Wrexham to James Davies and Margaret Ellen Unknown. They had 5 children, Catherine (my Nain), James Edward, George William, Hilda and Elsie. James and George died in the Gresford Colliery disaster.
That is all I have. I was thinking of buying some Registers for the Coedpoeth area. Dad says that his dad's family lived in Coedpoeth/Nant/Adwy going back many generations. A very kind lady has offered to do some look-ups for me.
Dad also had 2 older sisters named Lilian & Megan who died of TB when he was little. I don't know when they were born. Think I need to have a trip to the Cemetary. I have a feeling they may be buried in St Tydfils (?) as that is where my nain was buried in 2002 and I think my Taid is there too.
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Post by llosgi calch on Jun 19, 2006 23:07:27 GMT
Hi Trace,
My advice to you would be to get a copy of both your nain and taid's birth certificate's, this way you can confirm both their mothers maiden names, Harriett & Margaret Ellen (see below).
Your say taid Thomas was born in 1908, but were his siblings older than him, would any of them have been around for the 1901 census'?'
Where are Thomas parents William & Harriett buried'?' What were their birth dates'?' Have you noted all dates & info from their headstone'?'.
(Had a search & found five 'William Jones' marrying a 'Harriet' between 1890 & 1908 for the wrexham area.)
Good news! Found James Davies marriage to Margaret Ellen Roberts, registered in the 4th quarter of 1908, ref: Wrexham 11b 542
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Post by llosgi calch on Jun 19, 2006 23:16:59 GMT
Only two Margaret Ellen Roberts born in Wrexham area from 1850-90.
Margaret Ellen Roberts, Quarter March 1885, Ref: Wrexham 11b 301 Margaret Ellen Roberts, Quarter Dec 1890, Ref: Wrexham 11b 241
Margaret born 1885 would be my first target in confirming one way or another.
On the 1901 census a Margaret Ellen Roberts is found aged 16, born Adwy'r Clawdd, (Adwy Coedpoeth) employed as a general domestic servant.
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Post by shedevil on Jun 20, 2006 9:42:21 GMT
Hello again Tracy Here is the following information again regarding your Jones family Thomas Jones and Catherine Davies Were married in Q3 of 1937 in Wrexham Vol 11b Page 697 Lilian Jones Birth was registered in Quarter 3 of 1938 in Wrexham, Mothers Maiden Name Davies Vol 11b Page 325 Megan Jones Birth was registered in Quarter 3 of 1940 in Wrexham, Mothers Maiden Name Davies Vol 11b Page 849 Lilian Jones death was registered Q2 of 1942 in Wrexham Vol 11b page 533 she was aged 3 Megan Jones death registered Q3 of 1942 in Wrexham, Vol 11b page 239 she was aged 2 I would personally obtain at least the Marriage certificate for Thomas and Catherine so that you can ensure you are traveling along the correct branch of Davies and Jones' I'm sure that llosgi calch has given you the correct information there regarding James & Margaret. My reasoning for that is that I have found an entry in the Birth Index showing a Catherine Davies registered in Wrexham in 1918 Q4 vol 11b page 421 mother's surname is Roberts It seems that trying to search any records for other family members at this time without any approximate dates of birth, would result in a considerable amount of matching names being produced that are possibly unrelated. for example I have searched for Hilda Davies between 1909 and 1918 and from 1909 to 1911 alone i have found 5 matching names. Once you have a bit more solid proof of the family which will have been obtained from the marriage certificates, It should then make the process a lot easier once you can trace them on any census returns It is possible that Margaret was from Adwy'r Clawdd I have found the following entry in the 1891 Census: Grosvenor Cottages, Adwy, Minera, Bersham; Thomas Roberts Head Marr 39 Engine Driver at Stone Quarry born: Denbigh, Penygelli Ellen Roberts Wife Marr 38 Born: Denbigh, Ruabon Henry A Roberts Son Single 16 Follows Horse in colliery Born: Denbigh Penygelli John E Roberts Son Single 14 Works at a colliery born:Denbigh, Ruabon Mary A Roberts Dau Single 11 Scholar Born: Denbigh, Ruabon Amelia A Roberts Dau Single 8 Scholar Born: Denbigh, Ruabon Margaret E Roberts Dau Single 6 Born: Denbigh, Adwy Sarah A Roberts Dau Single 2 Born: Denbigh, Adwy Joseph P Roberts Son Single 11mths Born: Denbigh, Adwy That should be enough to go on for now ;D, When you have further information let me know and I may be able to help you further Tracey
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Post by tracy05 on Jun 20, 2006 22:06:02 GMT
Hi Tracey and llosgi calch,
Had a fantastic day.
YES, my Nain's parents were JAMES DAVIES and MARGARET ELLEN ROBERTS. I had no luck pinning down Hilda & Elsie's birthdates, but am waiting for my aunt to come back off hols to see if she can help.
Margaret' parents were THOMAS ROBERTS born c1852, Penygelli, Coedpoeth and ELLEN ROGERS born c1853 in Ruabon.
The strange thing is that my Great x 3 Grandmother on my mum's side is a Ruth Rogers who was born in Glyntraian, Llangollen. For approximately 2 years I have been tracing that line and felt sure there was a connection between the Glyntraian and Ruabon Rogers. I know some left Llangollen and moved to Ruabon, but could not find a link between Llangollen and Glyntraian either. Now I have Rogers on both lines, one G-G-Grandmother and one G-g-g- grandmother!!!
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Post by llosgi calch on Jun 21, 2006 18:59:11 GMT
Great stuff! Now lets investigate taid Thomas & the Jones bunch of Coedpoeth! ;D Tracey05, Can you add anything after what was mentioned in my 2nd to last post'?' Fair do's, 'nice one' from shedevil who does a great job on post 1901 BMD....
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Post by tracy05 on Jun 22, 2006 10:19:21 GMT
I'm going to try and find their gravestones this weekend and see what I can find. I have no further info on Thomas & Harriet and their offspring. Dad isn't too sure if my Taid's siblings were older or younger.
When his sister gets back off holiday I'll see what she knows.
Thanks again both.
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Post by tracy05 on Jun 29, 2006 11:02:27 GMT
I've had a very hectic week and haven't been able to get out of the house to do what I wanted Argh! Anyway due to the wonderful Internet I've managed to backtrack through the censuses, and made quite a progress. Grandparents: Thomas Jones b.21/8/1908 in Coedpoeth married 1937 Catherine Davies b. 9/10/1918 in Wrexham. Children, all born Coedpoeth: Lilian (1938-1942), Megan (1940-1943), Thomas James (1942), George Thomas (1943), Raymond (1945), Dennis (1947), Gwyneth (1948), Irene (1951). Great Grandparents: William Jones & Harriet ? Still, no information. Must Contact my Aunt. Children: Thomas (1908), Dennis, George May. Great Grandparents: James Davies (Birth Information & Parents unknown) married 1908 in Wrexham Margaret Ellen Roberts born c1885 in Adwy. Children, born Wrexham: James Edward (1908-1934), George William (1913-1934), Catherine (1918-2002), Hilda Elsie. Great-Great Grandparents: Thomas Roberts (born c1852, Penygelli, Coedpoeth) married 1873 Wrexham to Ellen Rogers (born c1853, Ruabon). Children: Henry A (b.c1875, Penygelli) John E (b. c1877, Ruabon) Mary A (b. c1880, Ruabon) Amelia A (b.c1883, Ruabon) Margaret Ellen (b. c1885, Adwy) Sarah A. (b. c1889, Adwy) Joseph Price (b. 1891, Adwy) Thomas J (b. 1896, Coedpoeth) Thomas R (b. c1901, Coedpoeth) Great x3 Grandparents: John Roberts (born c1817, Bersham) Marriage Date Unknown & Ann Unknown (born c1821, Bersham). Children all born Bersham: Charlotte (b. c1843) Richard (b. c1847) Margaret (b.c1850) Thomas (b. c1852) Amelia (b. c1855) Great x3 Grandparents: Joseph Rogers (born c1812, Ruabon) married 1838, Ruabon to Ellen Hughes (born c1826, Anglesey) Children all born Ruabon: John c1840 William c1845 Charles c1849 Emma c1851 Ellen c1853 Mary c1855 Caroline c1858 Esther c1860 Joseph c1864 Coincidental, but my Great x2 Grandmother from the Llangollen area was a Ruth ROGERS. Apparently there is a connection with the Llangollen/Glyntraian and Ruabon Rogers, but I haven't been able to connect. I have found marriages and children for the above children also, but didn't want to bore you all. Thanks for everyones help. Tracy x
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