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Post by sceptrelady on Jun 29, 2008 4:20:52 GMT
Hi Lynn George BELTON baptized Llandegla April 12, 1812, s/o Isaac & Elizabeth BELTON, abode Ty'n y BW (which stood for Ty yn y Bwlch according to the book ) The Ann BELTON who died in 1852 was buried at Minera Aug 14th, age 31 so quite likely to be yours, given her stated age on the census. The George BELTON who died in 1867 is a little trickier. He was buried at Minera, Dec 22nd age 55, abode Pentre. HOWEVER there was a second Georg(e) BELTON baptized in Minera April 12, 1811, s/o John & Anne BELTON, abode Minera. Heather
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Post by sceptrelady on Jun 29, 2008 5:22:36 GMT
Lynne
On the 1861 there is a George BELTON age "31" married to Jane, living at Pentre - ref RG9/4286/78/7. And a marriage Dec 1/4 1853 between George BELTON and a Jane PRICE, Wrexham. This George states he was born in Llandegla but there isn't one baptised there in 1829/1830. I think his age should have been 51 and he was the widower of Anne Kelly Belton....
HTH Heather
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Post by eluned on Jun 29, 2008 5:32:52 GMT
Hi Heather and thank you. Found the Minera burials last night and after a cuppa i'm about to take a walk through Minera Graveyard... Hope theres an MI. Perhaps that will shed some more light! Thanks to Lee I found the stone. Ann d. 1852, 31yrs and Jorge 1867, 5(9)yrs. Is this a local spelling of George? No children in the grave I shall take a look at George and Jane Price in 1861 now Heather and thank you again.
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Post by eluned on Jun 29, 2008 7:22:43 GMT
Didnt take him long to remarry! Yes I think it is him too, correct job and almost certainly the same house. ;D
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Post by aroberts on Jun 29, 2008 12:13:14 GMT
Then she and I are probably cousins of some kind. I am descended from George and Catherine via their son Robert, whilst John Belton was a descendant of their son Isaac. George and Catherine were my great great great great grandparents. Do you know the next generation down from Isaac? Best wishes, Hilary My wifes lineage is Isaac Belton 1778-1851 Robert Belton 1814-62 George Belton 1843-1910 Mair Belton Married surname Jones 1883-1968 Gwladys Jones Married Surname Roberts 1913-2007 Rosemary Roberts - best not give the age away is my wife's mother. Thanks Andy
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Post by aroberts on Jun 29, 2008 12:31:33 GMT
Incredibly I have just found an ancestry link to Issac belton from a Gentleman in Stratford Upon Avon. Isaac's Father was George Belton 1744-1809 B Wrexham and Isaac's Mother was Catherine Crumpson 1745-1803 Born I am awaiting further info from the chap. A
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Post by hilary on Jun 29, 2008 16:30:01 GMT
Hi "A",
Gwladys is my second cousin once removed: the only person in yopu list who is not on my tree is, not unsurprisingly, is Rosemary Roberts.
You are indeed all descended from George Belton and Catherine Cumpston (George's father was also George). The Robert Belton in your wife's tree was organist at Bwlchgwyn Church for over 33 years.
This means that you are related to an lorra people on this board - even if it's only a connection by marriage!
Is the "gentleman i stratford unpon avon" also a relative?
Any questions about your tree, just ask - there are a few of us here who can provide most of the answers!
Hilary
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Post by hilary on Jun 29, 2008 16:32:29 GMT
Lynne and Heather - you've done some good work there on George and Heather - I'll look at it all later and see if I can tie it up with my lot. It's serious clutter-moving day today and I've already distracted myself to read the board!
Hilary
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Post by sceptrelady on Jun 29, 2008 16:43:09 GMT
Does anyone know the origins of George Belton (c1720-1793) & father of George (1744-1809)?
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Post by aroberts on Jun 29, 2008 16:56:24 GMT
Hilary
I can slot George Belton c1720-1793 in the tree then? - Where did the info come from. The chap in Startford is called Ron Challinor and he is going to E Mail me.
Any idea of the mother?
Thanks for your help,.
Andy
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Post by hilary on Jun 29, 2008 17:43:21 GMT
Ron Challinor was in touch with me a few weeks ago and we exchanged information. He had already found most of it becasue Tom and Gwynne, who researched the family tree originally, put all their information on the IGI for future researchers to find - that's why there are a few names from the area on the IGI even though the Mormons never transcribed the records themselves.
Top of the tree is George Belton whose dates are 1718-1793
His son, George 1744- 30 dec 1809 married Catherine Cumpston who died in 1803. There was also a sister, Elizabeth Belton, who married Robert Roberts in 1771.
George's son, Isaac, 1778 - 4 jun 1851 married Elizabeth Williams then Mary Berkley. Robert was born to George and Elizabeth. I'll send you a PM for the descendants as I have the information elsewhere.
Hilary
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Post by hilary on Jun 30, 2008 19:04:54 GMT
Heather:
I don't think that Tom Belton could find out anything more about George 1718 (in his records) to 1793, but the family history is that the Beltons came from Spain over to Cornwall and worked in the tin mines there before coming up to North Wales.
Hilary
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Post by sceptrelady on Jun 30, 2008 20:41:25 GMT
Heather: I don't think that Tom Belton could find out anything more about George 1718 (in his records) to 1793, but the family history is that the Beltons came from Spain over to Cornwall and worked in the tin mines there before coming up to North Wales. Hilary Very interesting...that's something similar to what the Carrington myth used to be until evidence was found otherwise. Heather
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Post by hilary on Jun 30, 2008 22:59:39 GMT
All that I can say in support of the story at the moment LOL is that some of our family have decidedly spanish looks and tempers to match and there was a manufacturing company in Italy called The Belton Company Ltd (whatever the Italian for Ltd is) - when I left home I couldn't take my piano with me in my Morris Marina, it just wouldn't fit, so when I settled into my bedsit I bought a small electric organ - there is a larger version of it available on ebay at the moment (ebay: belton organ) - and where newer organs would have Yamaha right across the framr, this one said "BELTON". It definitely had my name on it!!!!! There also used to be a spanish mining company in South America called, I think, the Belton Mining Co Ltd - it was a major quarrying and opencast mining venture over there about ten years ago.
A lot of family have been searching for the elusive George's history for many years - I take it that it wasn't tied in with the Carringtons, then!
Hilary
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Post by sceptrelady on Jun 30, 2008 23:36:03 GMT
I take it that it wasn't tied in with the Carringtons, then! Hilary Apparently not! I've checked the early records for Halkyn Flintshire & Youlgreave Derbyshire but there are no Beltons to be found
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Post by aroberts on Jul 6, 2008 17:54:42 GMT
Hilary
I have PMd you re photograph.
Thanks
Andy
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Post by eluned on Nov 15, 2008 21:50:01 GMT
Hoping to continue the Belton FH on this thread to enable people to find the family details more easily. I think this must be the other George Belton that you mention Hilary and that is where the confusion has come from: 1839 Feb 2 St Giles, Wrexhamby banns, George Belton X bac, miner, father Isaac Belton, limer.to Mary Price X spin, servant, both full age and of Minera, father David Price, miner Wit. Robert Belton X and Anne Price X You may also be interested in the other marriage on the same page and same date: by banns, William Belton X bac, limer, father George Belton to Anne Williams, X spin, servant, both full age and of Minera, father Edward Williams, miner. Wit. William Williams and Elizabeth Hughes who both signed.
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Post by eluned on Nov 22, 2008 17:13:26 GMT
So is this the George Belton that married Mary Price 1851 Bwlchgwyn George Belton mar 40 miner b.Minera Mary " mar 41 miners wife b." Hannah 18 Ann 15 George 12 Mary 10 Thomas 6 Edward 5 all unm children recorded as "at home" and b.Brymbo Or is the one that married Ann Kelly and Jane Price also the one who married Mary Price Was Isaac a limer before he became a farmer?
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Post by hilary on Nov 22, 2008 21:00:48 GMT
This is what I've got on George and Mary, from the "original" family tree:
George Belton 1744-c1809 m Catherine Cumpston
Their 9th child (as shown on the tree), Joh Belton 1786-1845 m Anne Roberts (NOT the same Anne Roberts that married a George, it looks like the two brothers, George and John, both married girls called Anne Roberts).
John and Anne Belton's 3rd son (as shown on the tree), George Belton 1811-1858 m Mary Price in 1839. (no dates given for Mary)
George and Mary Belton had children:
Hannah 1832 Ann 1836 George 1839-1859 Mary 1841 Thomas 1845-1859 Edward 1852-1876, m Sarah (1851-1876), they had 2 children, looks like George and Lydia Emily and both seem to have died as infants. The other children have not been followed through.
There is no evidence that this George was married more than once.
Any help? Hilary
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Post by eluned on Nov 22, 2008 21:18:13 GMT
You haven't got their marriage by any chance have you? I would love to know her maiden name please. And Isaac Belton was he a limer before he moved to Waen Fawr?
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Post by hilary on Nov 22, 2008 21:31:11 GMT
Sorry, there are no other details on the tree. Just
George [Belton] b1811 d1858 married Mary Price in 1839
I wish that there was more detail!
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Post by eluned on Nov 22, 2008 21:44:13 GMT
Thanks Hilary for sharing all you have on George. Perhaps someone else may be able to help.
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Post by hilary on Nov 22, 2008 22:31:38 GMT
Tried a link to a picture - didn't work. If you can access Flickr, you can see part of the family tree that I'm working from, look for "George and Mary Belton", it's on public access. PS, the only thing that seems to work is to search Flickr for georgeandmarybelton - all one word! I give up! PPS it's now an hour later - try this instead! www.flickr.com/photos/welshhilary/!! Hilary
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Post by hilary on Nov 23, 2008 0:01:02 GMT
I've just noticed the next door neighbour to George Belton and Mary Price, it's Ruth Belton, "an old woman", 75, pauper.
This is George's aunt, sister of John Belton, she never married.
Next door again is William Belton, with wife Ann hastily inserted under his name. This could be George's first cousin (father is Isaac Belton, brother to both John Belton and Ruth Belton), but this is where the tree gets complicated with William Belton and Robert Belton getting all mixed up with whose wife is which and which children are whose.............
The next house is occupied by Elizabeth Belton, widow, and her children. This is the widow of Thomas Belton who first married Jane Owens then married Elizabeth Williams in 1830 (according to the "tree" again). Get yourself a G and T at this point, because her father-in-law is the other George Belton who married the other Anne Roberts - George who is the brother of John Belton, Ruth Belton and Isaac Belton, above. Hee! Hee! What a family!
Hilary
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Post by jojo on Nov 23, 2008 5:47:33 GMT
I don't know about a G & T Hilary ....... After hours of studying your Beltons I've already moved on to Ativan ;D ;D ;D
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Post by eluned on Nov 23, 2008 9:26:13 GMT
I'm only on cough medicine.... So with looking at your info and date of Hannah's baptism, (well yes she could always have been born out of wedlock ) then the chances are that this marriage is my George so to speak 1839 Feb George Belton miner, father Isaac Belton, limer to Mary Price. So I now need to make sure that there weren't three Georges
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Post by eluned on Nov 23, 2008 9:42:35 GMT
Hilary, This must be the one on your tree then
Georg(e) BELTON baptized in Minera April 12, 1811, s/o John & Anne BELTON, abode Minera.
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Post by hilary on Nov 23, 2008 12:32:18 GMT
Yes, that's the George on my tree, bap. April 12, 1811, son of John and Anne, but he is shown as married to Mary Price.*
What you've all highlighted is that there must be a George missing from my family tree. Isaac and Elizabeth are shown as having four children, Isaac, William, Robert and Edward, and I'm now sure that the George who you've discovered married to Anne Kelly and then Jane Price, should be the third child of Isaac. Or am I sure? Who am I? *Could the family tree simply have Mary Price married to the wrong George Belton?
More midnight oil and a bottle of something!
What I really need is that big table that Winston Churchill had so that he could move whole armies and air forces around europe; I could put all the Beltons on there and keep on shuffling them around until the battle is won.
Hilary
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Post by eluned on Nov 23, 2008 12:42:52 GMT
Hello Hilary, I think that you have hit the nail on the head. I guess my George father Isaac most likely married Mary Price and yours married Mary??? Perhaps someone knows who she is or could look for marriage circa 1832? I'm afraid I can't volunteer as it will be a few months before I venture to North Wales again
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Post by eluned on Nov 23, 2008 18:25:36 GMT
Baptism St Giles 7 Oct 1838 George son of George and Mary Belton, Minera, miner.
I had made a note of this on a previous visit to Wrexham.
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