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Post by hilary on Nov 23, 2008 18:57:32 GMT
This would be a son of the George who married Mary Price, descended from Isaac and Elizabeth?
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Post by eluned on Nov 23, 2008 19:08:46 GMT
No I think this one's yours I haven't found any children to George and Mary Price and this baptism fits with the age of George junior who is son of George and the other Mary George and Mary Belton had children: Hannah 1832 Ann 1836 George 1839-1859Mary 1841 Thomas 1845-1859 Edward 1852-1876 Glad they aren't mine LOL
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Post by hilary on Nov 23, 2008 19:27:34 GMT
Aha! So I probably just need to leave that part of my tree alone but cross out the "Price" bit and attach the surname to the wife of the George that I have just introduced to the Isaac and Elizabeth family! So glad I don't have to rehouse all those kids!
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Post by annedw on Dec 17, 2008 16:51:24 GMT
In Wrexham Museum there is the original book of Bethesda ( Bwlchgwyn)Trust Funds Accounts. 1912 Payment to David Belton 1s 1913 " " £ 2.13.00 1913 Dec 31 " " £ 3.10.6 On another page is written in Welsh ` Y thai a gladwyd yn y flwydwyn ` 1916 May 5 Ann Belton Bryn Nebo. 1897 Subscription D`d Belton £19.4.00 There is also what seems to be burial fees and names of people buried. 1892 Thomas Belton Plas Robert Belton Plas 1894 July 6 Edward Belton 1898 Edward Belton 1902 Martha and Marget Belton. March 12 1891 blant Thomas and Sarah Belton. 2 graves David Thomas Belton 12 Sept 1882 plentyn Robert and Ann Belton , 2 graves. George Meredith Belton 24 Sept 1883 plentyn Edward and Ann Belton. Southside 1888 Aug 30 Hannah Belton plant Edward and Ann Belton 1893 Aug 7 David Belton plentyn. Northside 1896 David Belton stillborn 1898 Ann Belton ( has been written over so is a bit unclear) 1899 Jesse Belton child 1903 Thomas Belton child.
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Post by jojo on Dec 17, 2008 20:01:46 GMT
Hi Annedw Thanks for listing out all those Beltons H
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Post by hilary on Jan 1, 2009 21:58:27 GMT
Happy New Year All! And the end of a mystery.
William and Robert Belton, the brothers. Ann Price was married to Robert first and then, after Robert died, she married William. The family tree, researched in the 70s, very clearly shows the last three of Robert's children assigned to the brother William. But I now have the birth certificates and Robert has been named as the father on each certificate.
One day I shall talk to the original researcher again, and ask him if he has any other information about these three children, you never know! We had talked about this a long, long time ago, and he worked through Parish and Church records as well as census returns - no doubt he would have found the Beltons much easier to research nowadays with so much online help!
Best wishes, all Hilary
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Post by jojo on Jan 2, 2009 9:52:20 GMT
One day I shall talk to the original researcher again, and ask him if he has any other information about these three children, you never know! We had talked about this a long, long time ago, and he worked through Parish and Church records as well as census returns - no doubt he would have found the Beltons much easier to research nowadays with so much online help! Hilary Hi Hilary It might have something to do with Robert Belton naming William as his father at the time of his marriage. Perhaps the others did too. Also the census of 1871 indicates William as "father" to all rather than "stepfather" Who registered the births?? This link might help. home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm#COL4As Ann was legally married to Robert Snr. at the time the assumption would be that he was the father. Unless your researcher found something else that would indicate otherwise. Do you have Robert Snr.'s death certificate? There may be clues on there. I suppose it is possible that he was incarcerated in jail or a mental institution? Also when you say all the children were Robert's do you also include Isaac in that group? It would be interesting to learn what was his apparent mother Sarah's maiden name as a marriage has not yet come to light. Heather
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Post by hilary on Jan 2, 2009 17:01:25 GMT
Hi, Heather,
That is interesting about the marriage certificates, I haven't seen them yet. robert Snr's death certificate arrived this morning, he died of pneumonia at 51 years old, no suggestion of a long term illness but lead miners did not seem to have long life expectancies and pneumonia in July suggests to me that it was a complication of an already bad chest, perhpas.
I looked at the last three children, Eliza 1854, William 1856 and David 1859, the three who are assigned to William. If I had been Ann I would have said husband Robert was the father, anyway, so I shall make a few more enquiries.
According to these certificates, neither Robert nor Ann were literate, which is surprising as robert was quite an enterprising guy for his day and Ann came from a deeply religous and influential family. But the chapels were only just being established and Bwlchwyn was not a developed village in their times.
Hilary
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Post by eluned on Mar 18, 2009 15:45:37 GMT
Hi Hilary I found the marriage of your George Belton and Mary... ie the ones below George and Mary Belton had children: Hannah 1832 Ann 1836 George 1839-1859 Mary 1841 Thomas 1845-1859 Edward 1852-1876, m Sarah (1851-1876), they had 2 children, looks like George and Lydia Emily and both seem to have died as infants. The other children have not been followed through.
St Giles 10 Nov 1832 by banns George Belton X otp to Mary Williams X otp wit Isaac Belton X and Elizabeth Parry X
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Post by hilary on Mar 18, 2009 18:11:18 GMT
Thanks Eluned, that is very kind of you I shall put my Belton hat on tonight and fit it all into the jigsaw! Hilary
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Post by eluned on Mar 18, 2009 20:20:17 GMT
Hi Hilary, I just came across it whilst searching for Kellys, so it really was no trouble. You are most welcome.
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Post by jojo on Mar 19, 2009 4:47:44 GMT
Hannah Belton d/o George married Edward Roberts s/o Richard Nov 6, 1854 at Wrexham St Giles
Mary Belton married a David Phillips in 1861 (Wrexham Civil Marriage) from the censuses their children were Hannah Phillips c1863 Elizabeth A Phillips c1869 Lydia Phillips c1873 Letitia Phillips c1879
HTH Heather
PS Hannah Belton d/o Thomas B & Elizabeth Williams married Thomas Roberts s/o Richard Feb 16, 1856 at St. Giles, Wrexham. Perhaps Thomas & Edward were brothers?
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Post by hilary on Mar 20, 2009 18:37:54 GMT
Thanks for the extra information, Heather, it's nice to see one of the strands coming together. I wish I could show you the original tree but it's quite large with lots of tiny writing and criss=cross lines where cousins have married etc etc!
Hilary
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