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Post by annedw on Feb 16, 2015 16:07:19 GMT
Do you need a clue ?
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Post by annedw on Feb 12, 2015 20:45:11 GMT
Where is this ? Attachments:
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Post by annedw on Feb 12, 2015 15:53:18 GMT
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Post by annedw on Feb 12, 2015 15:45:13 GMT
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Post by annedw on Jan 1, 2015 23:45:47 GMT
after a short blip, we are back .. Thanks Jason .
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Post by annedw on Nov 6, 2014 21:11:57 GMT
I`ve found Mary`s burial. I am 100% certain it is correct as she is buried with John and two of her children.
She is entered as Mary Elizabeth Taylor..
Taylor Mary Elizabeth. Age 67 12 Nelson Street Wrexham buried 17/05/1923 05676
Wrexham Cemetery
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Post by annedw on Nov 3, 2014 14:13:11 GMT
Thanks for looking, but Mary was born in Flintshire. The 1861 record is also Llanfynydd, Flintshire. Treuddyn , Ffrith and Llanfynydd are only a few miles apart.
I was trying to find Mary with an Evan as a father, if this is her with mother Elizabeth in 1861, then he is dead . I can`t find this Elizabeth for sure in 1851, with or without an Evan.
Maybe Hope parish registers will have a baptism. If they were Non Com - that`s another story.
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Post by annedw on Nov 2, 2014 10:12:52 GMT
I`ve now found two possibles, but still can`t confirm it. Struggling to find an Evan and Elizabeth.
A Mary living in the same area as she was when she married 1871 Old Hall, Marchwiel John Birch 26 farmer b Marchwiel Mary Jones 18 general servant b Flintshire Could this be her ? 1861 Llanfynydd Elizabeth Jones wid 55 pauper b Dyserth 1806 Mary Jones 9 b Hope.
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Post by annedw on Oct 30, 2014 10:14:21 GMT
Also posted on another site, but perhaps as this is more local someone can help. www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=703824.msg5467811#newMary Jones married in October 1874 at Wrexham St Giles. She was 21 and residing at Bedwell. Her father is Evan Jones a collier. No Jones are witnesses. As you can see she is vague about where she was born. I`m having a hard time finding her before her marriage. 1881 Barracks Cottage , Royton, Bangor John Taylor 29 farm labourer b Pickhill Mary Taylor 26 b Treuddyn Flints 1891 Chester Road, Whitby Cheshire. (definitely same couple ) John Taylor 38 general labourer b Wrexham Mary Taylor 38 b Wrexham 1901 John Taylor 48 general labourer b Pickhill Mary Taylor 48 b Frith 1911 20 Nelson Street Wrexham. John Taylor 58 labourer gardener b Pickill Mary Taylor 53 b Llanfynydd Modify message
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Post by annedw on Oct 28, 2014 8:07:01 GMT
Without actually seeing the census image it is difficult. I wonder if the census schedule number is 66, and they are at the New Shop.
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Post by annedw on Oct 13, 2014 17:47:25 GMT
Apologies to begin with my Nan's surname was Williams not Hughes, she died on 15th May 1963 aged 51, my Taid was 80 when he died on 19th February 1990, they had 2 Sons my father John David and Leslie who still lives at Nant Square. Have you tried Uncle Leslie for help, maybe he knows something.
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Post by annedw on Oct 13, 2014 7:47:43 GMT
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Post by annedw on Oct 12, 2014 12:39:45 GMT
Davido says his Nan's maiden name was Hughes Annedws. I hope he comes back with some further information Agreed Eluned, but Free BMD doesn`t have a James / Jim / Owens / Phyllis Hughes match.
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Post by annedw on Oct 12, 2014 9:13:09 GMT
Free BMD doesn`t come up with a marriage Sorry, we found no matches. Search for Type: Marriages Surname: owens First name(s): jim / james. Start date: Mar 1900 End date: Dec 1980 Spouse/Mother's surname: hughes Spouse's first name(s): phyllis
North Wales BMD only has this one, James Owens married either Mary or Phyllis. North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1930 OWENS James Wrexham, Civil Marriage CROFTS Mary WM/102/94 LOVE James WM/102/94 WILLIAMS Phyllis WM/102/94 We really do need more dates . You say she died when you were born, you could be 76 or 17, we don`t know
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Post by annedw on Sept 17, 2014 19:25:09 GMT
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Post by annedw on Sept 11, 2014 14:14:53 GMT
Meshachs son Thomas John Roberts joined the 17th Wales batt, RWF on 15th May 1915. His address was 3 Heol Offa, Adwy and he was 20 years and 10 months old, he was a miner. Next of kin - Mary Jane Roberts, same address. It seems from his records that he was wounded on 13 May 1916 and died of his wounds on the 19th. Thomas John Roberts Age at Enlistment: 20 Document Year:1915 Regimental Number: 26077 Regiment Name: RW Fusiliers Welsh Army . I can`t find him in War Graves Commision, , but he is on the Coedpoeth War memorial. There seems to be no family information given. www.clwydfhs.org.uk/cofebion/coedpoeth_wm.htm
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Post by annedw on Sept 11, 2014 6:28:46 GMT
1893 Wrexham, Civil Marriage Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) WM/040/39 ROBERTS Meshach EVANS Mary Jane WM/040/39 Pity it`s a Civil marriage , we could have checked a parish register for a fathers name. It would have been interesting to see if it was also John Roberts. View There is no announcement in the papers. NW BMD is useful as it gives the marriage place. This was a civil marriage, so either in a Chapel or Register office. You would have to buy the certificate. They were probably Non Conformist. www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/index.php
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Post by annedw on Sept 10, 2014 15:04:18 GMT
Unfortunately the Coroners Inquests held at Ruthin don`t start till 1907. I have a feeling Brian is not in the UK, so made a call to them.
So what does that leave. There`s a possibility Mary Lovell or her husband were a witness at Meshach's marriage, or a chance they are mentioned in his will.
Such a shame , just needing that one link. I suppose the marriage will say if John was deceased by then, and if still alive will give his occupation.
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Post by annedw on Sept 9, 2014 19:56:19 GMT
This seems a good match for Catherine.
1851 Bryn Hyfryd Minera Edward Evans 34 tailor b Wrexham Ann Evans 35 dressmaker b Wrexham Catherine Ann Evans 10 Mo b Wrexham
1871 6 The Walks Wrexham Edward Evans widower 53 tailor b Wrexham
He is living on his own. I can`t find him in 1861 , and can`t find Catherine in 1861 or 1871.
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Post by annedw on Sept 9, 2014 19:36:56 GMT
This is the only marriage that matches for names. As it`s a civil marriage you would have to buy the certificate to be sure. We already know Catherine`s father was Edward Evans a tailor. Following Thomas`s parents further back is going to be iffy, John Jones / Eliza ?? .You would need the birth certificate of a child to get her maiden name.
Marriages Jun 1873 Free BMD EVANS Catherine Ann Chester 8a 621 Griffiths Morris Chester 8a 621 JONES Charlotte Chester 8a 621 JONES Thomas Chester 8a 621
Cheshire BMD 1873. JONES Thomas / EVANS Catherine A. Chester, Civil Marriage
1871 Hughes Terr, Adwy , children all b Bersham John Jones 47 coal miner b Bersham Eliza Jones 41 b Wrexham Thomas Jones 20 clerk Emily Jones 15 pupil teacher William Jones 10 Catherine Jones 4 Elizabeth Jones 4 John Jones 9 Months
1861 Offa Terrace Adwy John Jones 37 coal miner Eliza Jones 31 Thomas Jones 10 Ann Jones 7 Emily Jones 5 Margaret Jones 3 William Jones 10 months
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Post by annedw on Sept 9, 2014 19:33:29 GMT
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Post by annedw on Sept 9, 2014 19:11:16 GMT
They look like a well educated family.
1901 Mount Pleasant Minera. Thomas Jones 50 coal merchant employer b Bersham Catherine A Jones 50 b Minera Catherine E Jones 25 “” John E Jones 21 colliery engineering fitter.”” Owen Ll Jones 16 accounts articled clerk “” Arthur V Jones 13 “”
1911 Brynhyfryd Minera. All children still at home are single. Married 39 years. 9 children born alive. 6 still living. ( marriage about 1872) Thomas Jones 60 coal merchant Catherine Ann Jones 61 Eliza Ann Jones 37 John Edward Jones 31 coal merchant Owen Llewelyn Jones 27 accountant Arthur Victor Jones 22 accountants clerk Elizabeth Ellenor Watkins visitor 23 G P O telephonist b Cardigan. Talybont
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Post by annedw on Sept 8, 2014 21:20:13 GMT
1881. Edward is the clue.
Bryn Hyfryd, Minera. Thomas Jones 30 clerk accountant colliery b Bersham Catherine Ann Jones 31 b Minera Eliza Ann Jones 7 b Minera John Edward Jones 1 b Minera Edward Evans 63 father in law tailor b Bersham Catherine Jones 14 servant b Bersham
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Post by annedw on Sept 8, 2014 21:07:37 GMT
this seems to be the family in 1891
RG12; Piece: 4616; Folio: 94; Page: 21 1891 Mt Pleasant. Minera. Thomas Jones 40 cashier b Bersham Catherine A Jones wife 40 b Minera Eliza A Jones 17 home assistant b Minera Catherine E Jones 15 “” b Wrexham John Ed Jones 10 b Minera Thomas Wm Jones 8 b Minera Owen Llew Jones 6 b Minera Arthur Victor Jones 3 b Minera Christmas Jones 3/12 b Minera Edward Evans widower 75 father in law retired tailor b Bersham John Efor Jones lodger single 34 Calvanistic Methodist Minister b Cyffylliog
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Post by annedw on Sept 7, 2014 17:23:52 GMT
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Post by annedw on Sept 7, 2014 7:38:38 GMT
It seems as if Tom hasn`t renewed the subscription you have to pay to keep a site onlinr.
Remember Traceys, Wern / Minera pages that have gone, , and the time Jason left the Minera site a little late.
I was in contact with Tom a few weeks ago, but it seems he is not in good health...
I had intended to save " screen shots" of the pages to keep, but as usual left it too late. I do use it a lot.
I have sent a message to Clwyd mailing list.
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Post by annedw on Sept 5, 2014 17:04:14 GMT
I looked in the same paper and in the next issue for an obit and there was nothing at all. Only the report of the incident in various papers and the inquest in the Wrexham Advertiser. .
There`s a chance that there is a copy of the inquest at Denbighshire Archives. They do have an index , so as you have a date then will be able to tell you right away. I don`t know if it will help.
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Post by annedw on Sept 5, 2014 7:15:28 GMT
Interesting discussion you have going, can I join in? This is brian Census 1891, 1901 and 1911 all give her age as being consistent with a birth between April 1867 and April 1868, So does the death registration and the age on the headstone, i.e. 68 yrs in 1936,
Meshach's age stays consistent with a birth year of April 1861 to April 1862 in all the info I can find, Census 1871, 1881, 1891, and his death in 1900 (He died in Plas Power Colliery although I can find no record of an accident there at the time)[/b]. It looks like there was a family story about Meshach, how else would Brian know where he died. . Pity he had a Civil marriage . Would be great if Mary Elizabeth Lovell was a witness
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Post by annedw on Sept 4, 2014 14:52:22 GMT
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Post by annedw on Sept 4, 2014 14:42:30 GMT
We can forget the Meshach living in Hawarden I found him in 1881.
1881 Ratcliffe`s Cottage Hawarden Robert Roberts 45 b Kilken Flints, ( Cilcain) Elizabeth Roberts 50 Mesech Roberts 18 b Minera Margaret Roberts 15 b Minera Moses Roberts 12 b Minera Mary Roberts 9 b Hawarden.
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