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Post by annedw on Jun 2, 2016 22:21:44 GMT
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Post by annedw on Jun 1, 2016 6:37:24 GMT
Thanks to some help from a friend. Could this be them , you didn't mention the children's names.
1841 Wrexham Pentreffelin:
OWENS Thomas 52 Ag lab
Sarah 49
Mary 20
Thomas 16 Tinman's Ap
John 14 White smith
William 11
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Post by annedw on May 31, 2016 17:39:03 GMT
1851
Thomas born Llandesillia, Denbighshire, / Llantisilio ? Sarah born Rhose, Denbighshire / Rhos.
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Post by annedw on May 31, 2016 16:03:39 GMT
newspapers.library.wales/view/4009826/4009827/3/ Signaller Robert Hughes, R.G.A.,Bryntangor Farm, aged 28 Bryntanyor? Bryneglwys Hugh Hughes 51 yrs Farmer I`m a bit confused with the 2 families as there are no birth places given to check on the census, but this seems to be the one from Corwen . 1911 45 High Street, Coedpoeth. Annie Eliz. Hughes Single 46 shopkeeper grocer b Merioneth, Cefnddwynam Robert Hughes nephew 22 assistant b Carrog plus 2 not related.
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maps,
May 19, 2016 8:31:12 GMT
Post by annedw on May 19, 2016 8:31:12 GMT
They seem to be the maps drawn up by John Bagshaw for the Broughton History Society. You can buy them in the Archives. I don`t think there is any copyright as they are easily available.
I`ve got some and posted them with no problems
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Post by annedw on Apr 7, 2016 21:48:28 GMT
"I did see on the 1871 Census for Thomas that further down the page was an Edward Evans and Phebe Evans in the same sreet. followed that through but it ended up Edward had something to do with Cattle, so discounted that."
Hi Barbara. What did you find about this one. 1871 I can see Edward 22 (b 1849) and Phoebe 19 have a lodger . John Mahon 26 a sawyer born Neath, Ireland. Quite a similar name to Catherine and Mary Mc Mahon..
18th August 1868. Married in the Parish Church by Banns by ? Davies, Curate. Edward Evans, minor, bachelor, forgeman, Brook St. Father Thomas Evans, plasterer. Phoebe Pickering, minor, spinster, Pentre Felyn. Father Henry Pickering, labourer. Edward Evans makes his mark, Phoebe Pickering signs her name. Witnesses are ? Roberts and Mary
This is interesting, I don`t think we found this before. Thomas is a plasterer ! The Walks were very close to Harrisons Court and Abbot Street.
1851 The Walks , Wrexham . Thomas Evans 39 PLASTERER / JOURNEYMAN b Wrexham . c 1812 Sarah Evans 36 b Wrexham Joseph Evans 17 plasterers labourer b Wrexham Thomas Evans 15 nailors apprentice b "" c 1836 Edward Evans 3 b "" b 1848 Jane Evans 3 b ""
This is what we already have, and I put it here to compare. I`m not sure where we are going to with this , but .......
1871 2 Harrison Court . Wrexham Thomas Evans 37 labourer b Wrexham c 1834 Catherine Evans 40 b Ireland Mary Evans 15 b Wrexham Albert Evans 13 “ Sarah Ann Evans 11 “ Eliza Evans 9 “ c 1862 (Elizabeth)
1881 64 Upper Potter Street. Everton . Liverpool Thomas Evans 44 slater b Wrexham c 1837 Catherine Evans 49 b Ireland Elizabeth Evans S 19 b Wrexham b c 1862 Mary Mc Mahon S step daughter 29 b Ireland
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Post by annedw on Feb 15, 2016 18:49:38 GMT
I found some records all for the same man but he was born Cefn y Bedd I know this because the service numbers match. he died in 1918, but no mention of age. The only other name given is Annie S.
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Post by annedw on Feb 9, 2016 19:38:15 GMT
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Post by annedw on Jan 15, 2016 8:37:53 GMT
Hmm, that is a coincidence. keep us updated on what you find. Maybe something will " click " in the halfway point between England and Wales.
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Post by annedw on Jan 11, 2016 18:24:24 GMT
Sharon. I don`t think the Coedpoeth Evans are connected to Barbara`s. It`s really odd about the Enoch and Aaron Evans link though. I think I found Elizabeth Bury in 1841. But again with no parents. Children were sent out to work so much earlier back then. 1841 St Chad Shrewsbury Elizabeth Burry 15 servant b Shropshire, abt 1826
The Wrexham Evans seem more likely to be Barbara`s, but with no Edward showing it`s difficult. The only Albert Evans I can find b Wrexham is in 1860. Lot of other Alberts between 1850/ 1860. There is a Sarah Ann Evans b 1859 , and lots of Elizabeth Evans about the right time.
Just a shame they are missing in 1861.
I`ve had to colour code them so I know which is which
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Post by annedw on Jan 10, 2016 18:27:56 GMT
THOMAS EVANS WREXHAM CORRECT FAMILY
This is what you have.
Where is Albert in 1901 ?
1911 53 Clifford St Bootle Lanc Edward Evans 56 Labourer General b Wrexham 1855 Ellen Evans 56 b Bristol Edward Evans 19 b Bootle Walter Evans 16 “ Thomas Evans 9 “
1901 7 The Barracks West Derby Edward Evans 48 slaters labourer b Wrexham 1853 Ellen Evans 39 b Bristol Edward Evans 6 b Bootle xxx Walter Evans 4 b Liverpool Ellen Evans 10/12 “ Sarah Evans 10/12 “
1891 41 Braemar St. Kirkdale. West Derby Edward Evans 36 general labourer b Wrexham c 1855 Ellen Evans 32 b Wrexham George E Evans 8 b Liverpool Albert Evans 2 b Liverpool
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This is the other Thomas Evans I found, the problem is that there is no Edward with them.
I can only find them from 1871, when Edward would be about 15/16. Even then they are confusing, it seems Thomas may have married twice, but when did his wife Catherine come to Wrexham. She may even have been married before and had another name apart from McMahon. There are lots of Thomas Evans / Catherine matches.
There are some coincidences though with occupations.
1871 2 Harrison Court . Wrexham Thomas Evans 37 labourer b Wrexham c 1834 Catherine Evans 40 b Ireland Mary Evans 15 b Wrexham Albert Evans 13 “ Sarah Ann Evans 11 “ Eliza Evans 9 “ c 1862 (Elizabeth)
1881 64 Upper Potter Street. Everton . Liverpool Thomas Evans 44 slater b Wrexham c 1837 Catherine Evans 49 b Ireland Elizabeth Evans S 19 b Wrexham b c 1862 Mary Mc Mahon S step daughter 29 b Ireland
MARRIAGE 25 Dec 1884 Toxteth, St Philemon George Henry Clampitt ba 23 father Henry Clampitt , cooper Elizabeth Evans sp 22 father Thomas Evans, plasterer bc 1862 Witnesses Elizabeth Leatherwhite , John Onell .
1891 11 Benbridge Road, Toxteth George Clampett 35 labourer b Liverpool Elizabeth Clampett 33 b Wrexham, Wales 1858 Thomas H Clampett 8 Sarah E Clampett 6
1891 18 Pine Grove . Bootle. Thomas Evans 58 slater b Wrexham Kate Evans 65 b Ireland Mary Evans dau 36 b Ireland (McMahon)
By 1901 Catherine / Kate has died.
1901 16 Ash Road , West Derby George Hy Clampett 40 labourer b Liverpool Elizabeth Clampett 39 b Wrexham c 1862 Thomas H Clampett 16 Sarah E Clampett 14 William I R Clampett 9 George H Clampett 7 Mary M Clampett 4 James Clampett 9/12 Thomas Evans father in law, widower 72 slater b Wrexham 1829
If this is the right Thomas Evans, then he dies before 1907.
There is a coincidence that Thomas is a slater, as is Edward, but there`s no proof that it is his father.
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Post by annedw on Jan 10, 2016 13:03:02 GMT
THIS IS THE WRONG FAMILY TO THOSE KIWIBARB IS SEARCHING FOR
Job Evans has a story of his own. It seems his age is a bit iffy on census and some of the Canadian Records, but I`m sure it`s him .
Births Jun 1886 EVANS Job Wrexham
Minera baptisms 1886 Jun 29 Job Evans son of Alice (single woman Coedpoeth)
1891 Upper Talwrn Road. Bersham. ( Coedpoeth) Thomas Evans 62 labourer b Bersham c 1829 Elizabeth Evans 64 b Baschurch, Shropshire b 1827 Annie Evans dau 29 b Chirk c 1862 Job Evans gr son 4 b Bersham
1901 Gwenfro Cottage , Heol Llewlellyn , Bersham Mary Evans S 32 laundress b Bersham Wrexham Job Evans nephew 14 collier b Bersham Mary Roberts S lodger 58 b Cefn Mawr (deaf)
Job went to Canada. U.S., Naturalization Records. Job Evans Age:22 Birth:6 May 1888 Birth Wrexham, North Wales, Arrival Year: 1908 Issue Date: 17 Nov 1910 State: Alaska Locality, Court: Juneau, District Court
14 Aug 1908 age 22 miner arrived Quebec aboard Empress of Britain headed for Winnipeg Aug 1908 Border Crossings from Canada to USA age 22 miner aboard unnamed ship from Vancouver BC to Douglas Island Alaska - named aunt Mary Evans as relative
Aunt Mary Evans address was 36 St. Andrews Road, St. Annes on the Sea, Preston.
District Court of Juneau, Alaska, Job Evans, age 22, miner, height 5'7", 150lbs, hair dark brown, eyes dark gray, tattoo "JE" on inside right arm, born Wrexham, North Wales, May 6, 1888, now resides in Treadwell, Alaska. Emigrated from USA via Vancouver, B.C. on the vessel "Princess Royal", last foreign residence Ponty Pridd, Wales. Arrived port of Seattle, Washington August 21, 1908. Sworn Nov. 17, 1910, and he signs his name.
1910 USA census, Juneau, Alaska Evans, J. age 23, b. May 1886 Wales, single, roomer, miner, immigration yr. 1908
familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MPZ2-SCC
I think Job also went by the name of Joseph. WW2 Draft Reg. Card 1942 Evans, Joseph, age 55, b. May 6, 1886 Denbigh, North Wales of 335 77th St., Seattle, Washington familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVJT-FFXJ
1940 USA census, Seattle, Washington, 335 77th St. Evans, Joseph, age 53 b. Wales Evans, Mary Ellen, age 59, b. England familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K93M-3PM
WW1 Draft Reg. Card 1917-1918 Evans, Joseph, age 37, b. May 6, 1886, place of employment Treadwell, Alaska, nearest relative Mary E. Evans of Douglas, Alaska (which matches the 1930 USA census)
familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZVQ-6KJ
There is a death in Skagit, Washington for Mary Ellen Evans age 69, father Henry Edwards, mother Mary Madden. www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/22301F92B2D4BBEE09C5F3A4BD736334
Find A Grave for Mary Ellen Evans, Holyrood Catholic Cemetery, Shoreline, King County,Washington. www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19130098
There is a death in Seattle, Washington for Joseph Evans, b. May 6, 1886 d. Feb. 1974
www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/A02C7752881260F8705199142610C6E9
Find A Grave, same cemetery as Mary Ellen www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Evans&GSiman=1&GScid=76860&GRid=19130140&
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Post by annedw on Jan 10, 2016 12:36:34 GMT
I don`t think this the right family. Thomas and Elizabeth Evans. Coepoeth
Thomas is not at home and I can`t find him. Elizabeth is missing. Some parts of the 1861 census are missing. 1861 Lodge, The Barracks, St Martins, Shropshire Elizabeth Evans head marr 36 coal miners wife b Baschurch Shropshire c 1825 Edward Evans son 4 b Tallah, Denbighshire. Is `Tallah` actually Talwrn, maybe the enumerator just entered what it sounded like . St Martins was a coal mining area, and many families from all areas went there to find work. 1871 Williams Row, Talwrn Road. 2 pages (Enoch Evans & Susan on the 2nd page ) Thomas Evans 38 coal miner b Adwy Clawdd c 1833 Elizabeth Evans 42 b Baschurch c 1829 Ann Evans 9 b Chirk Thomas Evans 7 b Chirk Alice Evans 5 b Chirk Mary Evans 2 b Adwy Clawdd. If Alice was born Chirk c 1866 and Mary in Coedpoeth c 1869, then we can roughly date when they left. Where are Edward and Elizabeth, have they died ? I can`t find the family in 1881. 1881 Alice Evans 15 servant in Stansty ? Minera baptisms 1886 Jun 29 Job Evans son of Alice (single woman Coedpoeth 1891 Upper Talwrn Road. Bersham. ( Coedpoeth) speaks both English and Welsh Thomas Evans 62 labourer b Bersham c 1829 Elizabeth Evans 64 b Baschurch, Shropshire b 1827 Annie Evans dau 29 b Chirk c 1862 Job Evans gr son 4 b Bersham Minera burials. As Thomas has different ages in the census, the either of these may he him. 1893 Nov 25 EVANS Thomas Adwy, Bersham 67 1895 Mar 30 EVANS Thomas Adwy'r Clawdd 62 1898 Oct 24 EVANS Elizabeth Coedpoeth 71 I have found another Evans family from Wrexham and will post them later. MODIFIED ELIZABETH BURY IN 1851 Northgate St Chester William Low 37 civil engineer b Rothesay Scotland Elizabeth Low 30 b Knutsford Cheshire Elizabeth Low 10 b Glasgow Richard M S Low 3 Mo b St George Glouc. Elizabeth Berry 24 SERVANT BORN BASCHURCH
William Low was involved in the Vron Colliery, very close to where Thomas and Elizabeth (Bury) lived. He also made plans for a Channel tunnel.
thefireonthehill.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/william-low-and-the-vron-colliery/
Could Elizabeth have come to Coedpoeth with the Low family and there met Thomas . Perhaps she left and went to Erbistock to work. I am sure this is her.
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Post by annedw on Jan 9, 2016 14:16:54 GMT
I`ve tried to work backwards hoping to meet up in the middle some where, but this is all I can find. I can`t find the baptism of Walter, but this is definitely the baptisms of the twins. They had a private baptism P. B ( possibly at home) which usually means they were very poorly and perhaps not expected to live. They are at the same address as the 1901 census. There is a photograph on the link. Birth indexes. These births are registered on the same page in the index and could be twins . Ellen Evans 1900 Quarter:Apr-May-Jun Registration district: West Derby Volume :8b Page: 625 Sarah Esther Evans 1900 Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: West Derby Volume: 8b Page: 625 streetsofliverpool.co.uk/west-derby-village-c1880/Baptism: 11 Apr 1900 St Mary the Virgin, West Derby, Ellen Evans - [Child] of Edward Evans & Ellen Sarah Evans - [Child] of Edward Evans & Ellen Born: 11 Apr 1900 Abode: 7 Barracks Occupation: Labourer Notes: P. B. Baptised by: Percy Stewart Rector Found here - www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/tocs.html1901 7 The Barracks West Derby Edward Evans 48 slaters labourer b Wrexham Ellen Evans 39 b Bristol Edward Evans 6 b Bootle Walter Evans 4 b Liverpool Ellen Evans 10/12 “ Sarah Evans 10/12 “ In 1911 the twins are missing. This may be their deaths, the 1901 census was taken 31 March, if they died very soon after then they would be 0 because they are less than 1 years old. Of course to be 100 % sure then certificates are needed. Sarah Esther Evans 1901 Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun Age at Death:0 Registration district:West Derby Volume:8b Page: 385 Ellen Evans 1901 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 0 Registration district: West Derby Volume: 8b Page: 386
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Post by annedw on Jan 7, 2016 20:45:29 GMT
It`s a tricky one. The details marriage of Thomas Evans to Elizabeth Bury would normally clinch it, but where is Thomas before the marriage. I can`t find a suitable one in 1851, there are a few servants around but I`m not convinced about them. Who was Elizabeth Bury, I can`t find her with a father Edward a stonemason. Where did they go after the births of Edward and Elizabeth. Barbara has found who may be the right Edward in 1891/1901/1911. I `m not sure about the 1891 record, place of birth of wife is different. . Barbara. Can you post all the census details . There are children born before the marriage in 1907, what happened to them. Barbara. Can you post the full details of the marriage. Are there any clues with the witnesses . The Cornelia Williams at Aarons marriage is possibly this one. Again, where is she in 1851. 1861 Acton Cornelia Williams 19 b Minera. servant. If we could just find Thomas and Elizabeth after the marriage at least we would have ages and places of birth. I have a headache now
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Post by annedw on Jan 7, 2016 15:08:23 GMT
Hi Sharon.
For Ruth - When you say father unknown, is this stated in the PR`s , so who was her mother ?. Could the elusive Thomas have the same mother, or even be from a previous marriage or either Enoch or Susan.
Do you use FMP. I`m only on Anc.
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Post by annedw on Jan 6, 2016 16:16:21 GMT
Bumping this up again
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Post by annedw on Jan 5, 2016 20:51:33 GMT
I thought as Aaron was a witness for Thomas, then he might have done the same, but they were Jonathon Hughes and Cornelia Williams. marriage St Giles 1863 In 1871 and 1881 Aaron and Mary have no children, I would have thought that if the Edward in the workhouse was his nephew , then they would have taken him in. I don`t think it`s him.
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Post by annedw on Jan 4, 2016 15:41:29 GMT
I looked in Erbistock PR`s but there are no Bury names at all. I can`t find an Elizabeth with a father Edward who is a stonemason, but we don`t know where she was born or how old she is. I might have traced Enoch and Aaron, but can`t find Thomas. Again we don`t know how old he was. The census records are confusing as they have various places of birth, but names of children are quite a good clue. Ruth may have been from an earlier marriage. She was born c 1822, and Enoch and Susan married in 1827/28 at Clocaenog which is part of Ruthin. Thomas may have been from an earlier , you would have to find that There is the link with Pentre Fron. Enoch Evans Susan Williams Marriage 10 Mar 1827 / 1828 Clocaenog, Denbighshire, Wales 1851 Adwy Clawydd . Bersham All children born Wrexham Groch (Enoch) Evans 50 collier b Wrexham Susanah Evans 52 Ruth Evans 29 b 1822 Anne Evans 19 b 1832 Aaron Evans 14 Hannah Evans 10 Jane Evans 7 Mariah Evans 4 1861 Adwy Enock Evans 62 b Minera Susan Evans 61 b Ruthin Jane Evans 18 b Adwy Hannah Evans 20 b Adwy 1871 Talwrn Road . Talwrn . Enoch Evans 72 labourer at colliery b Pentre Fron. Wrexham Susan Evans 71 b Cloceinog Maria Evans 24 b Minera. DEATHS Enoch Evans 79 Jun qtr 1877 Wrexham Evans Susan 77 Jun qtr 1872 Wrexham Aaron was baptised Non Conformist as were some other children of Enoch and Susannah. familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Wrexham#Nonconformist_Church_RecordsPENTREFELIN STREET INDEPENDENT, WREXHAM, DENBIGH, WALES familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Wrexham#Nonconformist_Church_RecordsHope this helps a little.
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Post by annedw on Jan 4, 2016 15:21:17 GMT
Marriage 7th April 1855. St Hilary`s Erbistock. Thomas Evans of full age. bachelor. collier. Abode Wrexham. Father Enoch Evans collier. Elizabeth Bury of full age spinster. Abode Erbistock. Father Edward Bury stonemason. Witnesses Aaron Evans. Ann Roberts. Elizabeth Bury signed her name . All others made their mark.
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Post by annedw on Jan 3, 2016 17:36:09 GMT
These are in Minera baptisms.
1856 Dec 7 EVANS Edward, parents Thomas collier Elizabeth. Pentre'r Fron 1858 Mar 14 EVANS Elizabeth parents.Thomas collier Elizabeth. Pentre y Fron
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Post by annedw on Jan 2, 2016 20:07:49 GMT
Erbistock 1872 Erbistock Church is at the bottom LH side of map. maps.nls.uk/view/102342384#zoom=4&lat=3128&lon=2994&layers=BTCoedpoeth 1872 A Pentre`r Fron is marked just to the right of the place name MINERA and to the right of there is Vron Colliery maps.nls.uk/view/102341204#zoom=4&lat=7110&lon=3905&layers=BTToday it is about 11 miles from Coedpoeth to Erbistock with new roads , but in those days by horse it would take quite a while. There are no coal mines in the Erbistock area, it was and still is mostly farmland, and so would be an odd place for Thomas, a coal miner to marry unless Elizabeth was from there. I can check the marriage for you in my local archives, it will be in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully both fathers will be named.
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Post by annedw on Dec 24, 2015 9:13:48 GMT
BEST WISHES EVERYONE. Attachments:
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Post by annedw on Dec 19, 2015 16:09:08 GMT
Hi. Do you have the 1855 marriage certificate / entry , it seems rather odd that they marry in Erbistock . Not all of us have access to FMP There may be some clues, abode - occupations -who were their fathers - names of witnesses. etc.
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Post by annedw on Dec 19, 2015 15:26:30 GMT
I`ve had an email from "penglais" She has sent me a picture of Edward Morgan.
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Post by annedw on Nov 19, 2015 15:25:06 GMT
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Post by annedw on Oct 28, 2015 14:08:20 GMT
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Post by annedw on Sept 23, 2015 18:02:34 GMT
Hi, welcome to the site. Is this all the information you have. Can you tell us more, there were Wynn / Wynne families , but without more details then you can`t be sure if they were related to you.
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Post by annedw on Sept 16, 2015 11:55:40 GMT
That white Wrexham Lager top look very good.
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Post by annedw on Aug 28, 2015 6:49:52 GMT
The little one is registered as Louisa. The term infant is usually given for a new born to 1 year old.
Births Sep 1926 Kelly Louisa mothers Williams Wrexham 11b 420
Deaths Sep 1926 Kelly Louisa age 0 Wrexham 11b 278
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