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Oct 14, 2009 22:20:02 GMT
Post by annedw on Oct 14, 2009 22:20:02 GMT
So - which is the right one. North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1852 EDWARDS * Griffith JONES Margaret Dolgellau, Civil Marriage Gwynedd - Meirionnydd Area Register Office (Dolgellau) EDWARDS Griffith St Mwrog and St Mary Denbighshire South (Ruthin) Edwards Griffith Ruthin 11b 617 JONES Margaret Ruthin 11b 617 Roberts Daniel Ruthin 11b 617 WILLIAMS Margaret
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Post by annedw on Oct 14, 2009 17:12:28 GMT
Getting back to John Mason in 1841. I`ve taken all the Masons that were in Wrexham, and put them together as they were in each household. Our John is still the odd one out. The only connection with the people he was in the same household with is that Thomas Francis was also born Mongomeryshire. Great help 1841 Wrexham Census. Hope StreetThomas Mason 25 Shoemaker Y Margaret “ 25 N Thomas “ 4 Y Elizabeth “ 2 Y Mary “ 4 months Y Joseph Wood 18 Shop Ass N Thomas Wood 19 “ N Ann Phillips 15 FS Y Beast MarketMary Mason 70 Y Eleanor “ 29 Y Samuel “ 20 Y Beast MarketJohn Mason 39 Corn dealer Y Ann “ 27 Y Emma “ 19 Y John “ 12 Y Edward “ 10 Y Mary Mathias 20 FS Y Beast Market ( next household) Martha Thomas 61 Ind Y Edward “ 37 Coach M Y Edmund Mason 14 Y George Jackson 10 Y Martha “ 6 Y John “ 4 Y Eliza “ 3 Y Yorke StreetWilliam Mason 34 Shoemaker Y Anne “ 32 N William “ 6 Y Samuel “ 4 Y Edward “ 3 Y Emma “ infant Y Well StreetJohn Mason 50 Maltster Y Mary “ 51 Dressmaker Y Anne Owen 23 FS Y Richard Benbow ? 26 Tailor N Hope StreetThos Francis 40 Grocer N Eliz. “ 40 Y John Mason 20 Grocer J NEbenezer Jones 20 Grocer J N HO107; Piece: 2503; Folio: 544; Page: 19; In 1851 Thomas and Eliz. both aged 51 are still Grocers at Hope Street, Thomas was born Marinford ?? Montgomeryshire. Eliz. in Llangollen. Class: RG9; Piece: 4287; Folio: 90; Page: 47 1861 Thomas and Eliz still at Hope Street, Born Llanfair, Montgomeryshire.
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Oct 14, 2009 17:00:42 GMT
Post by annedw on Oct 14, 2009 17:00:42 GMT
All census records have Griffith as being from Llanderfel and he was born about 1829. Llanderfel is in the Bala area.
There`s only one Issac Edwards born Wrexham district that seems to match the son from 1861 aged 6. Isaac Edwards born 1856. You need to get a birth certificate if you are sure that it is the right one , to see what Margarets maiden name was, then you can hopefully trace their marriage and both Griffith and Margarets fathers names and occupations. This will help you go back one more generation.
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Post by annedw on Oct 13, 2009 17:51:09 GMT
Elizabeth Jane has turned out to be my Gt Gt Aunt ;D I knew it rang a bell , so had a look at my notes. Early in 1876 at the age of 20 Joseph Wilcoxon married Annie Taylor of Coedpoeth,. Annie was the daughter of John Taylor and his wife Elizabeth. In 1871 they are living at the Masons Arms, Penygelli John and Elizabeth were still at the Masons in 1891, By 1901 John had died but Elizabeth, aged 72 is still running the public house with the help of her granddaughter Mary.
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Post by annedw on Oct 9, 2009 15:36:43 GMT
Spot on Tom, 1901 RG13; Piece: 5219; Folio: 62; Page: 20. Bryntirian, Thos E Thomas 43 Congregational Minister b Llanfair , Anglesea. Mary 47 b Esclusham Above. Charlotte A Williams 15 servant b Llanarmon .
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Post by annedw on Oct 8, 2009 16:03:48 GMT
Sarah Ellen Price has been acting as Monitress this week.
This is the right one.
Miss Evans terminates duties today, to be succeeded by Miss Agnes Jones, Assistant at Tabor Hill
And now we also have Agnes Jones..
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Post by annedw on Oct 8, 2009 11:12:17 GMT
You probably have had knickers made by Courtalds, I did ;D My first sewing job was at Granby Graments on the Wrexham Industrial Estate, a part of Courtalds, over the years it changed it`s name, but eventully went back to being Courtalds until it closed some years ago. Cheap labour in other countries , when did you last see an item on lingerie from Marks and Sparks that was `Made in Britain `. They did have a yarn manufacturing works in Flint as well. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtaulds
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Post by annedw on Oct 7, 2009 15:13:48 GMT
These are from " The other John Mason` thread. The address crops up just too often to be a coincidence. I agree with Eluned, finding a will should solve it , but I think finding the death of your John would be the best bet.
1881 Wrexham RG11/5519, f.47, pg.33 8 Holt ST Terr Samuel Mason H unm 60 Ellen Mason sister unm 70 John Mason Jones nephew 12 scholar All born Wrexham
1851 Wrexham HO107/2503, f.490, pg.34 Beast Market, sch 138 Samuel Mason H unm 30 boot & shoe manufacturer b.Wrexham Ellen Mason sister unm 36 b."
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Post by annedw on Oct 7, 2009 12:58:53 GMT
www.thepotteries.org/education/census.htmThis will give more info on the Census. Wrexham census is always full of odd persons with strange ocupations, I found many in Charles St, the reason being that it was the Wrexham Fair held at that time , and many `entertainers` came to town for that. They were usually classed as visitors or boarders.
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Post by annedw on Oct 7, 2009 12:11:36 GMT
minerahistory.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mineragwynfryn&action=display&thread=596These come from Slaters 1858/9 Wales, Directory for Wrexham, and should get the ball rolling again Mason John Baker & flour dealer Beast market Mason John jnr Grocer & tea dealer Beast market Mason John Maltster Beast market Mason John Brewer Holt st terMason Thos Boot & shoe maker Hope st ( Unnamed) Mathias Tavernkeeper Old Three Tuns Brook st
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Post by annedw on Oct 7, 2009 11:57:41 GMT
Hello Mike, can I make sure you are looking for descendants and not ancestors. It would seem that Valentine was about 46 when he married, but how old was Margretta ? Was she a spinster ? I have looked on the 1901 census, and there are many Margretta Jones`s , but nothing stands out so far. What was Johns occupation, who were the witnesses, all this might help. Looking for ancestors is much simpler than searcing for descendants. If you know when and where they died then an obituary might give some details on their family.
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Post by annedw on Oct 6, 2009 21:34:13 GMT
From what is entered in the shool logs, Winifred wasn`t the best of the Pupil teachers. Returned PTs' papers. E Davies' work only "Fair", S E Price's work "Good”. Winifred Moss's book "ImperfectReproved W Moss, Monitor, for not paying more attention to the Reading of Standard 1. Having found W Moss trifling on several occasions, I have brought her class so that it shall be under my direct supervision. I heard that W Moss and the other Monitresses did not behave themselves as they ought to have done. Reproved them severely, and told them that a repetition would cause me to suspend them. Gave Teachers an examination, W Moss very poor papers. Had to reprove Winifred Moss a 2nd year Pupil Teacher for not preparing her lessons at home, she having come the whole week with them but partly done. Have again had to reprove Winifred Moss for not preparing her lessons at home. Had to reprove W Moss for not attending to her lessons Winifred Moss has only prepared her lessons once this week, have also had to reprimand her for not coming in time, had to leave my own class twice this week to attend to hers. Jan 1884 W Moss absent on Tuesday morning, her mother being seriously ill. Winifred Moss still brings her lessons only partly done. Winifred Moss absent from lessons twice this week, only prepared her home work twice. Winifred Moss returned to duties on Monday, have had to reprove her for not being punctual, prayers being over three times during the week before she came in. Winifred Moss absent on Monday and Tuesday, returned to school Wednesday morning again absent on Thursday and Friday. Several complaints received of Winifred Moss punishing children in her class. Had to reprove W Moss for not being punctual, two mornings this week she has not come in until 9.20 and was late in the afternoon as well. Called the attention of Winifred Moss to the writing of her class W Moss passed an unsatisfactory Examination. Should she be required to complete the Staff and fail to the same extent next year, the Grant will have to be reduced under Article 115. Specimen Needlework of W Moss was moderate. 1886 January Winifred Moss commenced duties as assistant in place of Miss A Jones who is to resign in March Miss Moss, late this morning, prayers over before she arrived and all the classes working when she came in the afternoon. By 1887 she is an Assistant Mistress.
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Post by annedw on Oct 6, 2009 15:46:58 GMT
Fron the book Wrexham Breweries and Inns, the only mention of a John Mason is that in Pigots 1830 he was at the Old Three Tuns, Brook Street. In a List of Inkeepers and their Bondsmen dated 1820, there are no Masons at all. The Innkeeper named at the Three Tuns was Charles Phillips. In Slaters 1868 a Thomas Mason is at the Dolphin, Mount Street. The only MI`s I couldn`t look at before was the Dissenters, Rhosddu Road, and the only Mason there with a headstone is `Mary Mason died 1864` Not a lot .
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Post by annedw on Oct 6, 2009 9:15:39 GMT
Births Mar 1843 Mason Joseph John Wrexham 27 295 I`m guessing you have this birth certificate, other wise how do you know that Mary was a Chaloner .
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Post by annedw on Oct 5, 2009 17:11:05 GMT
Yes. ;D
1880 January H A Davies is to take her sister's place next week as Elizabeth is going to Llanrhiader to assist her brother.
February 1880 Elizabeth Davies absent all week, her place supplied by her sister, H A Davies.
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Post by annedw on Oct 1, 2009 8:25:31 GMT
Great ;D ;D ;D. It will not be for a while yet, but I`ll take you up on this offer. Have sent a PM.
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Post by annedw on Sept 30, 2009 12:14:53 GMT
I`ve contacted Plas Pentwn and am wating for a reply, good idea about the Library, they do owe me, I gave them a copy of the Wern Registers for free ;D ;D
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Post by annedw on Sept 29, 2009 10:20:41 GMT
That`s a good idea, Ann. The paper is not a problem , the lady doing the printing runs a business , so it will be at very little cost to her. We had thought about a CD anyway, but as Wrexham Museum has limited access to a PC, and it`s usually booked up with people using Ancestry for free, thats why we thought about a booklet format. The Books are not going to be for sale, they are only for reference. Where is the Resource Centre. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Post by annedw on Sept 28, 2009 22:38:52 GMT
You have to have a Ring Binding machine to do the job, I think they are quite costly to buy, but I`m hoping someone in an office type job might have access to one, or perhaps a Society that produces their own journals might help. The pages will be A4. . It`s seems a bit of an expense for me to get one just for these few booklets. As for your claim to fame, your name is already in the `credits` as one of my helpers. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by annedw on Sept 27, 2009 8:02:36 GMT
I have had enormous help with transcribing these, and another lady is kindly doing the `creative` side of it and the printing. What we need now is for someone to help with the Binding. If there`s any one fairly local, I am close to Wrexham A Ringbinder would be ideal, there will probably be about 12 booklets. These when finished will go to Wrexham Museum, probably Coedpoeth Library and I think it would be nice to give a set to Penygelli School. Any offers, All people who have helped will be named in the books. Your claim to fame ;D ;D
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Post by annedw on Sept 26, 2009 12:48:48 GMT
Owens, Edward, Bersham, Adwy'r Clawdd, Wrexham, Denbigh, Carrier. Edward Owens : will, 1852. Wife Margaret Sons, Thomas, Edward, John, Daughters Ellinor, Eliza, hdl.handle.net/10107/882294
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Post by annedw on Sept 26, 2009 12:22:30 GMT
Carrington, Thomas, Trefyddbychain, Llandegla-yn-Ial, Denbigh, Miner Thomas Carrington : will, 1828. Wife Jane Sons Francis, Aaron, John,Carrington Daughter Anne Carrington, Ellen wife of William Hooson, Alice wife of David Cadwalader hdl.handle.net/10107/827421
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Post by annedw on Sept 24, 2009 21:26:10 GMT
Entry in Penygelli school logs, March 1914 Registers closed this morning at 9.30, children dismissed at 11.30 to enable us to assemble earlier in the afternoon, staff attending the funeral of Mrs G J Jones.
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Post by annedw on Sept 24, 2009 11:14:05 GMT
They don`t appear in Wern burials. Could they have married ?North Wales BMD will tell you if it was a Civil or Church marriage. Just enter the surname, don`t tick exact match , there are a few there.
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Post by annedw on Sept 23, 2009 10:15:02 GMT
;D ;D ;D I`ve had a good sleep, and have had another rumagge around.
There were definately Masons in the Llandiloes area. Historical directories has these.
1829 Pigots Llanidloes John Mason, China Street, Flannel manufacturer
Pigots 1835 Llanidloes Jane Mason , Long Bridge Street, Flannel manufacturer
1844 Pigots. Llanidloes, No Masons
Slaters 1859 Llanidloes. no Masons. Newtown. Susan Mason.Flannel manufacturer
Now this is interesting. As we think that John was born Trefeglwys and Masons are flannel manufacturers, there is a link with the place and occupation.
Powys FHS publication,( I suppose this is the issue number 14, and pages 2-3. It looks like the Index only has the title of the article , so if Mason is there it won`t show up. flannel manufacturers (see 'weavers')weavers Trefeglwys, MGY (14 : 2-3) Issue 14 , Summer 1986
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Post by annedw on Sept 23, 2009 8:06:37 GMT
Sarah Phenix. Thanks goodness for that entry in St Giles, I didn`t have much time to spare and only looked at Phoenix.
Toms message. Hi, There are 9 baptisms in Wern Chapel between 1809 and 1826 all to children of Joseph Chaloner a Clerk(Agent poss.) and Sarah--She does have 3 different surnames but he may have had more than one wife or it is a different Joseph---
Three different surnames , they all begin with P, so I would guess that they have been mistranscribed. They are very early and quite difficult to read. I would say it is Sarah Phoenix on them all.
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Post by annedw on Sept 22, 2009 19:32:15 GMT
TREFEGLWYS ,TREF EGLWYS, a parish in the hundred of Llanidloes, county Montgomery, 9 miles from Newtown, Take another look at 1851 census for John and Mary, it does say Tre , Montgomeryshire, rather than Montgomery, which is just the name of the town. What do you think
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Post by annedw on Sept 22, 2009 17:20:11 GMT
Burial 1843/44 June 21 John Mason age 54 W(xm) A(bbott) b 1789 Is this JM above, not in the Wrexham 1841 census then ? 1851 John Mason H unm 22 grocer & provision dealer John Mason father wid 53 maltster Just noticed that there is only 3 years difference in age between 1841 and 1851 for John the maltster. I have a headache now
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Post by annedw on Sept 22, 2009 15:31:59 GMT
I don`t think this family of Masons are closely connected, unless it`s from much earlier. Perhaps John senior was a brother to an earlier one of this lot. Anyway, I spent an hour in Cefn this afternoon, and found something and nothing. This is all the burials and related details I found, St Giles 1833-1843 Burials Wrexham1834 June 19 Sarah Mason 29 Beast Market 1836 June 10 Jane Mason 39 Beast Market 1837 Nov 25 Agnes Mason Infant Bersham 1843 - 1853 Burials Wrexham1843 March 9 Mary Mason 2 Bersham 1843 June 21 John Mason 54 WA 1843/44?? 1847 Jan William Mason Infant 1848 Aug 4 George Mason 5 WR 1849 Mar 2 Anne Mason 35 WA 1849 Nov 28 Mary Mason 78 WR 1852 Apr 3 Edward Mason 21 WR 1852 Nov 31 James Mason 42 WR St Giles MIs90 Edward Mason ? 1836 age 11 91 Henry Mason ? 1821 infant 91 E Mason 1823 infant 91 Elizabeth w/o John Mason 30 June 1823 aged 42 194 William Mason 10 Oct 1828 aged 58 194 Mary w/o William 21 Nov 1849 aged 78 Ruthin Road MI`s 8 Margaret Mason wife March 19 1870 age 59 8 Thomas Mason husband Feb ?6 1871 age 57 8 Thomas Mason son July 7 1855 8 John Mason son July ? 18 ? age 31 9 Ellen w/o Samuel Mason 1865 Holt Street 9 Samuel h/o Ellen Born Feb 1818 died 25 April 1884 9 Thomas and Anne Whitley. That `ll take some sorting through
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Post by annedw on Sept 22, 2009 15:18:48 GMT
1841 Wrexham John Mason's listed: John Mason 20 Grocer J Hope Street Not born in county John Mason 39 Corn Dealer Beast Market John " 12 John Mason 50 Malster Well Street John Mason. Death Free BMD Wrexham John Mason 1844 Jun qtr . b 1790 ? St Giles Burials 1843 June 21 John Mason age 54 W(xm) A(bbott) b 1789 Now - have I copied it down wrongly, or is is a transcript error. Worth a look at the death certificate I would think. The rest of the Mason burials I`ll put on the `Other Masons` thread.
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