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Post by annedw on Sept 21, 2009 16:26:55 GMT
Wrexham Advertiser May 1st 1852 Death On the 25th ult., EDWARD MASON, Son of Mr. MASON, of the Beast-Market, Wrexham, aged 21.
He must be the son of John the maltster, see 1851 Wrexham census
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Post by annedw on Sept 21, 2009 13:43:04 GMT
This one is really good. Will of Francis Carrington made 28th October 1847 proved 18th May 1848 His present wife is Elizabeth and he leaves all his land on consideration that she doesn`t marry again. Then he goes on the name the children of his first wife. Thomas, Ann now Ann Jones. Moses, John and Noah. Robert by his second wife Elizabeth gets to keep the featherbed that `she brought with her at marriage` and at her decease the `said feather bed and silver watch` is to be given to his son Robert. Link to Will. hdl.handle.net/10107/528545
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Post by annedw on Sept 21, 2009 10:05:00 GMT
From the Wills on line I found these. I`ve just put names and relationships mentioned. They seem to be the same family .
William Mason. Shoemaker. Wrexham. Will dated 1829 My beloved wife, (un named) Mary Mason (named later) John Mason, Grocer My Son Edward, shoemaker. Signed by X Mary Mason, Signed John Mason Signed Edward Mason
Edward Mason Shoemaker Wrexham. Dated 1837 Admon of the goods of Edward Mason Shoemaker.Granted 4th April 1837. Mary Mason, the mother and next of kin. Signed X of Mary Mason. Signed James Mason.
William Mason. Shoemaker. Wrexham Admin dated 23 Aug 1850 John Mason, the heir, lawful son and one of the next of kin. John Mason of the Beast market Wrexham.Grocer. Samuel Mason, Shoemaker John Mason the younger Signed by John Mason, Samuel Mason, John Mason Jnr.
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Post by annedw on Sept 17, 2009 21:43:07 GMT
WAKE UP ;D ;D ;D These are the dates of the earliest papers in the Museum, so you won`t find an obit before then. WREXHAM ADVERTISER 1850-2, 1858-1945, 1953-1957 Microfilm Another thing is, even though John Mason Three Tuns is in the 1845 directory, he still could be dead by then having died 1844?. This info is from a site about the directories. However it does have its limitations; the information published may have been out of date or not updated correctly and the directories only list the head of the household.
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Post by annedw on Sept 17, 2009 17:28:35 GMT
I can`t be 100% sure but I don`t think the catalogue includes the books. I can`t find them there. The Encyclopedia is a quite recent publication, but most of the info in it about the older places seems to be taken from A N Palmers History of the Town of Wrexham, and C Dodds History of Wrexham. All of these are in the Museum.
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Post by annedw on Sept 17, 2009 16:26:45 GMT
In answer to Reply 4, I think it is `lets apartments`and written through is `lodge ho(use)`
I have looked for Violet born Wrexham just using her first name, there are a lot, but none that stick out as being her.
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Post by annedw on Sept 17, 2009 15:06:27 GMT
Births Mar 1863 Shelby James Pritchard, Ruthin 11b 358 Marriages Jun 1905 SELBY James Prichard ,Forden 11b 331 ROGERS Sarah Elizabeth Only one other name , so is it a match,
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Post by annedw on Sept 17, 2009 8:48:18 GMT
Old map. Attachments:
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Post by annedw on Sept 17, 2009 8:47:28 GMT
Just a thought , as you are in the area, you might like to take a visit and look at the Machine House, you will be very close to it. When you come to the Five Crosses Pub,which directly opposite the road to Minera. you need to go down Gwerygaseg Road, this runs along side the 5 xs. just at the end , the road bears left and on the opposite side is Willlow Road, between these two is a small road, nothing more than a lane really. The House is just down there, I can`t recall it`s name now, but it is right on the road, where the clump of trees is betweeen the brown fields on this pic. Attachments:
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Post by annedw on Sept 17, 2009 8:20:28 GMT
I contacted Jill Rose, who has done the Clwyd Parish Register Index. This is her reply. Hello Annette I've uploaded on to my website all the information for the three John Mason's listed in the Wrexham Town 1841 census. One of them, aged 20, looks as if he might be yours but he's down as a grocer's journeyman, not born in County. I usually put any information I'm asked for onto the website just in case someone else is also looking for it. freespace.virgin.net/jill.farndon25/M.htmlJourneyman- One who had served his apprenticeship and mastered his craft,not bound to serve a master, but hired by the day. So perhaps he didn`t actually run the Grocery, but just helped out as needed.
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Post by annedw on Sept 16, 2009 19:14:51 GMT
Edward Roden was a teacher at Bersham and Adwy School. He is in the Bethlehem Chapel members list. Edward Roden, married 24, Adwy`r Clawdd,Teacher Joined July 6 1884. Died Nov 26 buried Nov 30 1895He is buried in Coedpoeth New Cemetery. Also he signed the Pledge PLEDGE I PROMISE TO ABSTAIN FROM ALL INTOXICATING DRINKS AS BEVERAGES Entry in the register dated 23/2/1886 Edward Roden 25 Adwy. Date of Pledge taken 1/2/71 Any more details about him are very welcome, it`s all for the School Logs project.
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Post by annedw on Sept 16, 2009 16:34:33 GMT
Funnily enough there is a very article in this months Hel Achau about 1841 census. It says that ages were given in multiples of 5. Therefore 20 (24) and Hope Street , and not born in County Just a shame it doesn`t actually state which county.
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Post by annedw on Sept 16, 2009 11:10:07 GMT
John Mason age 34 book keeper, born Montgomeryshire.
If John is in Wrexham for the 1841 census, then surely he will be Not Born in County and . N by his name.
I`ll try to find out if there is one that fits.
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Post by annedw on Sept 16, 2009 7:54:27 GMT
I`ve thought about that as well, sometimes the graveyard has had the grass cut. I seem to remember Clifford Davies telling me once when I met him that he had started doing them, he also had gone to Wern, but gave up. They are not on Tom Mercers site, which is unusual as he`s done a lot in the area.
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Post by annedw on Sept 15, 2009 19:36:21 GMT
RG12; Piece: 3185; Folio 32; Page 18; 1891 Chorton upon Medlock They were living in Avon Street in 1871 / 1881 Mary Mason 70 b Wales Sarah unm 46 milliner
RG13; Piece: 3675; Folio: 132; Page: 6. 1901 Ardwick, Chorlton Manchester Sarah Mason 56 unm b Liverpool Fanny E Scrimshaw 30 unm Deaconess Methodist Church Emma W Todd 34 unm , Deaconess Methodist Church
I agree with Eluned that it seems the death cert you have is the wrong one.
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Post by annedw on Sept 15, 2009 14:29:41 GMT
John Mason 50 Malster Well Street There is a Well Place, in Wrexham now, and it is a tiny street only about 20 yards long. It is adjacent to Brook Street and guess which pub is on the corner, The Three Tuns, but now it`s closed and is now the Railway Workers Social Club The original pub was knocked down for the railway, and the existing building is about 1896. The window with the posters in is facing Well Place. I have a contact that knows a lot about Wrexham Pubs, and have asked him for help. Hopefully John Mason might be mentioned somewhere in his notes. www.flickr.com/photos/jonesthecamera/460329823
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Post by annedw on Sept 15, 2009 13:46:38 GMT
The lady in the pic is standing on the path. Attachments:
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Post by annedw on Sept 15, 2009 12:58:32 GMT
Wern www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.046991&lon=-3.078449&z=17.2&r=0&src=msaLead mines www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.051157&lon=-3.08132&z=17.2&r=0&src=msaIf you find the Minera Lead Mines visitor centre, then carry on and it`s on the RH side of the road. There is a row of about 6 houses and just before them is a gate in the wall that goes to the path. it is quite a high step up to it. This is the location of Wern graveyard, but it is very overgrown and very difficult to find a grave. You need to wear wellies and cover your arms and legs. A local man who does MIs disturbed a wasps nest a couple of weeks ago and got stung. Tom seems to have found them, so perhaps he can tell you where they are.
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Post by annedw on Sept 14, 2009 17:49:19 GMT
Pigots directory for Wrexham 1828/29. Public Houses John Mason, Old Three Tuns, Brook Street. Grocers John Mason,& flour Charles Street Boot and shoemaker William Mason , York Street
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Post by annedw on Sept 14, 2009 16:34:47 GMT
I didn`t know this Tre Faldwyn was actually Montgomery. So were the Masons from there , or from Wrexham , and just happened to be there when John was born in 1817. National Gazetteer, 1868 "MONTGOMERY, a parish, market town, municipal and parliamentary borough, In later times it was called Tre-Faldwyn, or "the town of Baldwyn", from a lieutenant of the Marches in the time of William the Conqueror, who built a castle here. .
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Post by annedw on Sept 14, 2009 14:26:27 GMT
I would say it was Penybryn. Richard Brown was ordained as Minister there on December 26th 1838, James Adams succeeded him in 1843 Lots of families who had children baptised at Penybryn also seemed to use Wern.
Just moving John to the right thread. 1851 HO107; Piece: 2192; Folio: 455; Page: 24 Living in King Street, West Derby, Liverpool John Mason age 34 book keeper, born Montgomeryshire. Mary wife 29, b Wrexham Son, Joseph I ? aged 8 b Wrexham Dau, Sarah aged 6 b Liverpool.
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Post by annedw on Sept 14, 2009 12:39:57 GMT
HO107; Piece: 2192; Folio: 455; Page: 24
Have I got the right John Mason in 1851, he is a book keeper, age 34 born Montgomeryshire. Living in West Derby, wife Mary 29, b Wrexham Son, Joseph I ? aged 8 b Wrexham Dau, Sarah aged 6 b Liverpool.
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Holmes
Sept 14, 2009 11:26:04 GMT
Post by annedw on Sept 14, 2009 11:26:04 GMT
I suppose the Wrexham PR`s would be the obvious place to look first , especially as they all lived in `town`. Then probably Ruthin Road Cemetery, but they only have MI`s for here, no burial records. If they were Noncomformist, the only MI`s I know of for Wrexham is the Dissenters Graveyard in Rhosddu. All not much help if they didn`t have a headstone. I`m just curious how she has such exact details.
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Holmes
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Post by annedw on Sept 13, 2009 10:06:02 GMT
wrexham.minerahistory.com/1841_town_census.htmlHi Tom, there doesn`t seem to be any `Holmes ` in 1841, but , maybe they are mispelt. I found a Methuselah Holmes on this site, Key number is 365 so they are in the Wrexham bapt 1813 - 1820, either Methuselah was named as the father , or a child , ( I think) I `m not sure if this is what you want though. freespace.virgin.net/jill.farndon25/index.html365 Wrexham Vol 15 Baptisms 1813-1820 365: Holmes. Anne, Caroline, Elleanor, James, Methuselah; And now I found all these Deaths. Free BMD All Dec qtr 1837 HOLMES Charlotte Wrexham 27 194 HOLMES Henry Wrexham 27 187 HOLMES Hester Wrexham 27 191 HOLMES Mary Wrexham 27 188 HOLMES Methuselah Wrexham 27 192
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Post by annedw on Sept 12, 2009 18:32:35 GMT
Hi , I`m not sure which years you are referring to as being lost, but there are Wern baptisms and burials on this site. The link is on the home page of this site, but I`ve put it here for you as well. www.the-red-zone.co.uk/about.html#
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Post by annedw on Sept 9, 2009 19:47:04 GMT
Same house as it is today, or at least about 3 years ago when Itook the photo. Attachments:
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Post by annedw on Sept 9, 2009 19:45:28 GMT
Machine House , about 1905, it is still standing. Attachments:
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Post by annedw on Sept 9, 2009 17:46:52 GMT
Hi Ronnie, I think there is quite a lot about various Chaloners on the site already. It looks as if these could be yours. ;D .
MACHINE HOUSE The Machine House is shown on the 1845 tithe map of Minera, and is on land owned by John Burton Esquire, it is recognized as plot 292, described as a `house and garden` and is occupied by Joseph Chaloner, who is also the occupier of Tyr Celyn, which is also described as a house and garden. In 1841 a report was taken of the Working Conditions in Collieries, and a Joseph Chaloner is described as being a coal weigher at Plas Mostyn Colliery so presumably this would confirm that the Machine House was originally part of the Colliery Buildings. There are deeds of sale dated 1838 relating to Plas Mostyn Colliery, these are held at Ruthin Archives. Does this indicate that part of the colliery was sold off, and that this is when the Machine House became a dwelling place ?
In 1851 the occupants are Joseph Chaloner a widower, aged 75 clerk b about 1779, he was married presumably before 1809 and the birth of Ellinor to Sarah Phoenix, but she had died before 1851. The members of the household were --- Joseph Chaloner a widower, aged 75 clerk b about 1779, born Wrexham Ellinor unmarried daughter age 42 b Wrexham Maria “ age 33 b “ Anne “ age 24 b “ William Boyd, lodger age 29 born Cemais,Near Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire Minister at the Wern Independant Chapel Sarah Moss a servant age 16
It seems therefore that Joseph and his family were Non- conformist and they had a link with Wern Chapel .
All these of Joseph `s children were christened at Wern. His wife was Sarah Phoenix. Maria born 10 Jan 1813 chr 30 Jan 1813 Joseph born 10 April 1815 chr 14 May 1815 Joseph married Cornelia Bennett. in a civil marriage in 1845, Mary Ann born 24 Nov 1817 chr 7 Dec 1817 Sarah born 7 May 1822 chr 5 June 1822 Thomas born 9 May 1824. Ann born 5 May 1826 chr 3 June 1826
RECORDS FOR WERN START 1808 In the Wern Chapel Graveyard register are the following entries, these are names of people that bought plots, but there are no dates and no information on who was buried in them. Cornelia Chaloner (wife of Joseph) of Pentre Fron RH side of path Row 5 grave 3 William Challoner, Minera. LH side of path Row 15 grave 17
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Post by annedw on Sept 7, 2009 21:37:10 GMT
1881 Tanylan / cottage, Penyfordd, Hope. John Brooks 25 schoolmaster b Bersham Mary A. Brooks 31 wife b Bersham John J. S. Brooks 1 b Bersham Agnes Brooks 13 b Hope. Flints. I`m sure we`ve come across John somewhere before on this site.
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Post by annedw on Sept 7, 2009 8:38:22 GMT
Alan Godreys maps description. This detailed map covers the industrial village of Brymbo, just NW of Wrexham. Brymbo Hall is near the centre of the map and coverage stretches from Smelt Wood eastward to Cefn, and from The Green southward to Ty-cerryg. The Brymbo Steel Works is a major feature surrounded by much of the village of Brymbo, incl St John's church (at top of map), Tai, Brymbo Colliery, The Green, and many railway tracks. The various (and confusing!) railways include GWR Wrexham & Minera line with The Lodge Halt, GCR Brymbo Branch with terminus, GCR Vron Branch and GWR Vron Branch. Other features include Phosphate Works, Black Lane Colliery, Offa's dy-ke, several old mine shafts. Communities or areas include The Lodge, Cefn, Pen-rhos. On the reverse we include a directory of Brymbo with railway timetables for the Wrexham-Berwig Halt line and Brymbo & Coed Talon Branch. And you can try this, www.old-maps.co.uk/indexmappage2.aspx enter these co ordinates 330300 353100
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